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[metaquad4]

This pervasive assumption that it is somehow US vs. YOU is a huge detriment to what this community is SUPPOSED to be, which as I understand it, a cooperative role play environment. Cooperative being the operative term here....

My thoughts on this note exactly. The attitude of some of the QC people that have posted lends the thought that the QC staff and the players are competing, or something. I'm pretty sure no sane player has that attitude. The QC staff is made to serve the player-base by ensuring the server is fair and balanced*. There is no competition. Heck, players even report bugs. That is -help-, my friends.

Also, an instantly defensive attitude is indicative of having something to hide. Food for thought. There is no need for such. Again. Collaborative Roleplaying Environment. We can share knowledge here.

[Blackman D]

I would think it would be helpfull for the devs to see what the players think about any thing that may or may not happen on the server gues i was wrong.

The majority of error reporting is statistically originating from the end user.

and there is a forum for that called "Collective Issues, Suggestions, Bug Reports"

its not like no one replies to the questions but i still fail to see what difference it would make for people to see the QC forums, or the Dev or DM forums for that matter

I would think that the QC and Dev team would appreciate the ability to, at any time, read through said posts and get a feel for the pulse of the community. Good decision making is based on more information, not less.

can already do that here

[Boddynock]

If you fail to see the difference it would make, then by definition you have no problem with us being able to read them. No difference is no difference, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

[DM Narshe]

QC forums are going to remain private for a lot of the same reasons other forum areas are private.

QC specifically deals with exploits and how to balance classes/feats/spells/etc. They don't need to be deterred from posting their opinions and work because they might catch flak from others.

[metaquad4]

If you feel they would be deterred, that indicates a far deeper issue. Either rooted in unsatisfactory/flawed work, or in a (perception of a) competitive/vitriolic attitude between the staff/QC and the players. Both are equally disturbing.

[mrieder79]

If it helps them do their job better, then let it stay private. They do it all for free with the purpose of providing a better gaming experience for us all. As such, I feel they earn the right to make the decision.

I am happy with the QC forums remaining private.

[Boddynock]

One again, this idea that somehow the player base is out to get the QC team rears it's head. No one is out to get anyone. Why does it seem that everyone that has any position of leadership automatically assumes the worst of their players? What is wrong with the idea that this will encourage development through constructive conversation?

If you are all so jaded and think so poorly of us, then perhaps it is time for some self reflection?

[metaquad4]

How about this: All concluded QC threads (I.E. quality issues that have already been dealt with) can be locked, a post can be made before it was locked to indicate when it was locked, and they can be submitted into a public forum QC directory, a new sub fourm. This would not disrupt current QC work, and would give the community of BG an idea of how the QC thought process goes. This will allow QC to work on their current work in peace, and enable them to show how BG balances and fixes things. Obviously, this would not be retroactive, it would be for the present and forward only.

[DM Narshe]

While you're welcome to conjecture whatever you'd like, negatively aimed discussions like this are really quite pointless.

If you want to talk about deeply disturbed subject matter, take a look at all the paranoia-fueled hammering at points in these kinds of threads. If you present a problem and answers are given and you take a square peg and try to ram it through a round hole with your own beliefs, it's just an idiotic argument.

The QC work hard to make this server a better place.

You should try it.



If you're just looking to rant, try some kind of illuminati chat rooms. A lot of this really seems better suited for that crowd.

[Blackman D]

i fail to see the difference because what is being claimed allowing such would help with can already be done in this forum, and thats what this forum is for - people do use it for that quite often

If you feel they would be deterred, that indicates a far deeper issue. Either rooted in unsatisfactory/flawed work, or in a (perception of a) competitive/vitrolic attitude between the staff/QC and the players. Both are equally disturbing.

that just seems like you are trying to twist his words around in a bad way

people (honest people) do report exploits privately to the DMs and QC and they get posted to see if they can be duplicated and figure out how to fix them, the less people know about things like that the less people they have to worry about banning if its somethin serious

so yes in that sense there are things to hide and for good reason

[mrieder79]

I've done a fair amount of testing in NWN2 mods and I can tell you it is a lot of work. We really should provide as much leniency toward our QC team as they want. It's not easy. And again, they do it for free. They do it so we can have fun.

[metaquad4]

While you're welcome to conjecture whatever you'd like, negatively aimed discussions like this are really quite pointless.

If you want to talk about deeply disturbed subject matter, take a look at all the paranoia-fueled hammering at points in these kinds of threads. If you present a problem and answers are given and you take a square peg and try to ram it through a round hole with your own beliefs, it's just an idiotic argument.

The QC work hard to make this server a better place.

You should try it.



If you're just looking to rant, try some kind of illuminati chat rooms. A lot of this really seems better suited for that crowd.

With all due respect Narshe.

"2. No flaming. Personal attacks, disrespectful, derogatory, threatening, insulting or negative comments will not be tolerated. This encompasses "Trolling" which are posts that intend to do any of the above or disrupt the discussion."

That was pretty insulting, and negative to everyone who is trying to give some nice honest feedback to the way the server is being run. Noone was insulting the QC team. Noone was trying to attack them. We were immediately, however, hit by a quite honestly cliquish and defensive "attack", that was honestly shocking to those who claim to be part of a Collaborate/Cooperative Roleplay Community. Its pretty disappointing to see the people we look up to as models for this community set this kind of none-constructive, hostile example for the rest of us.

Seeing this kind of attitude pervert this server which I quite frankly love and want to see improve itself and succeed over its obstacles is more than a bit disturbing to me.

[Boddynock]

While you're welcome to conjecture whatever you'd like, negatively aimed discussions like this are really quite pointless.

If you want to talk about deeply disturbed subject matter, take a look at all the paranoia-fueled hammering at points in these kinds of threads. If you present a problem and answers are given and you take a square peg and try to ram it through a round hole with your own beliefs, it's just an idiotic argument.

The QC work hard to make this server a better place.

You should try it.



If you're just looking to rant, try some kind of illuminati chat rooms. A lot of this really seems better suited for that crowd.

Once again, you make the instant assumption that we are just ranting or bellyaching, instead of trying to have a serious discussion... Surely you see what is wrong with that yes? There have been several posts here made by people in support of the way the system currently works, and several people, including me, are attempting to refute those points logically and calmly. This is how discussions work when people are on different sides of an issue.

So I am going to ask that you let us discuss things until such time as the forum rules are broken, and if you have nothing to add to the discussion other than insult, then don't add anything at all.

[DM Cradh]

That is it. You have received the DM teams decision on this on so I am going to consider this conversation closed.

[DM Narshe]

This is how it is: I'm here to make this server a fair environment and a fun setting for players to roleplay. This is not a platform to troll and we're not open to harassment.

I will protect those who are assets to this server. I will try to make this a welcome community for those who seek to enjoy it for what it is meant to be. I will defend the rights to privacy for those who voluntarily contribute to the server, be it through QC testing, DM events, Area Building or other custom content.

If you're not here to contribute or enjoy our setting and only seek to bring it harm, this isn't the place for you.

I suppose you could consider that a warning.


If you really want transparency, we can do this transparently.