Vampiric Feast not in feat list

[NegInfinity]

How many d6 is your Eldritch Blast. I'm pretty sure you need Base 9d6 Eldritch Blast to get Epic spells as a warlock, as that is how warlocks are measured.

I think that's requirement for eldritch master, not for epic spells.

I have all the warlock invocations. :/ And that's not a builder glitch. That's a kaedrin glitch then.

Builder has plenty of glitches, so don't assume it is "perfect". Test your build in training module already. You can export your char in-game, and import it into training module. And then see if it works and if you would get vampiric feast next level. It would be better than wasting time leveling for 2 more levels only to possibly discover that you won't get vampiric feast anyway.

[c2k]

I can confirm you need Eldritch Blast (9d6) to take epic level spells as a warlock.


However, I built this build shown above in a closed environment and I was able to take Vamp feast at level 21(due to 9d6 blast dice).(Because I think the Builder site fails to take into account Kaedrin's Hellfire Warlock fix.) This server should have the same fix, as stated in the changes topic. I don't have enough information about what is going wrong in this situation, but it seems something might not be working.

[PJtheFey]

Sorry to necro this (kinda), but I just ran into the same issue in JEGs with a different class combination.

I built a Rogue / Wizard / Arcane Trickster / Daggerspell Mage with the two PRCs maxed out, the ability to cast 9th level spells and spellcraft maxed out, however the only epic level spell available to the character was Hellball at the tail end of the build.

I went back and tested with a Wizard / Bard / Stormsinger / Frost Mage build with all wizard casting (except for three levels of bard), and was able to pick all of the epic level spells without any problems.

I'm not sure if this is true in game on the server, however I assume that JEGs mimics the server's configureation.

[Deathgrowl]

Did you pick daggerspell mage levels on the epic feat levels? It may not have been added to DSM feat list.

[PJtheFey]

Yes. The progression was as follows:

Rogue X1
Wizard x5
Rogue x2
Arcane Trickster x9
Daggerspell Mage x10
Acane Trickster X1
Wizard x2

Then I de leveled and tried the last two levels as rogue with the same result. The character was still a both a wizard and arcane trickster so... It should have still been available.

On a side note, if it's not working on the server when my live character gets to 21, does a DM have the ability to manually add the feat for me?

[BigJ]

Yes. The progression was as follows:

Rogue X1
Wizard x5
Rogue x2
Arcane Trickster x9
Daggerspell Mage x10
Acane Trickster X1
Wizard x2

I just posted a similar thing in a warlock thread, which I know more about, but I think it may be the same issue.

You have 4 non-caster levels in your build (3 rogue, lvl 2 Dag Mage), This means you do not qualify for lvl 9 spells until lvl 21, and if like the warlock blast die the game mechanics don't register the 'Spell upgrade' until after the feat selection screen during levelling up then you wont get it.

I think the mechanics are working as intended, its not a bug, just a drawback of having non-caster levels in your build.

You can confirm this in JEGS by knocking out one of the rouge levels completely just for testing purposes, add in another wizard and you'll probably get the access then to the epic feats at 21.

Again I don't think Its a bug, just a drawback for adding non-caster levels in a build, although without the daggerspell mage you would have got it at lvl 21 (Ie. 3 rogue, 10 AT, 8 wiz).

BigJ

[PJtheFey]

Yes. The progression was as follows:

Rogue X1
Wizard x5
Rogue x2
Arcane Trickster x9
Daggerspell Mage x10
Acane Trickster X1
Wizard x2

I just posted a similar thing in a warlock thread, which I know more about, but I think it may be the same issue.

You have 4 non-caster levels in your build (3 rogue, lvl 2 Dag Mage), This means you do not qualify for lvl 9 spells until lvl 21, and if like the warlock blast die the game mechanics don't register the 'Spell upgrade' until after the feat selection screen during levelling up then you wont get it.

I think the mechanics are working as intended, its not a bug, just a drawback of having non-caster levels in your build.

You can confirm this in JEGS by knocking out one of the rouge levels completely just for testing purposes, add in another wizard and you'll probably get the access then to the epic feats at 21.

Again I don't think Its a bug, just a drawback for adding non-caster levels in a build, although without the daggerspell mage you would have got it at lvl 21 (Ie. 3 rogue, 10 AT, 8 wiz).

BigJ

I can try it, but even on my last epic feat selection, only Hellball was available. IT takes me about 20-30 minutes to go through the leveling process and pick all the right skills and feats, so I don't have time to do it at this moment.

Considering that the requirements for Hellball are the same as all the other epic spells except that it requires more spellcraft, there really isn't any reason I should have been able to choose it and not any other epic spell. The issue isn't only not being able to pick the spells at level 21. I wasn't able to pick them even when maxing out the build to level 30 with max Spellcraft, etc.

[BigJ]

The issue isn't only not being able to pick the spells at level 21. I wasn't able to pick them even when maxing out the build to level 30 with max Spellcraft, etc.

Sorry, I got blinkered by the last statement on your last post, forgot the other post about almost being max lvl.

On a side note, if it's not working on the server when my live character gets to 21, does a DM have the ability to manually add the feat for me?

Just to clarify, I'm not sure you'll qualify for ANY epic spells at lvl 21 because you have 4 non-caster levels in your build, and if the mechanics during levelling up don't tag you with "9th level spells" before you pick your epic feat, it wont offer them, similar to a warlock build.

As for testing in JPEGS, two tips. You can save your game just like any other module, so if you save a test build at say lvl 17, you can keep reloading to add those last 4 levels (or more) as many times as you want.

Also the XP Merchant who levels you up can DE-level you however much you want in one go. IE. If you took a build to lvl 23, just ask him to choose your level again and set something lower like 17, it'll roll you back.

Its really really weird only Hellball was available on one of your tests, unless they removed the spellcraft requirement?

You know, my damn curiosity is peaked so I'm going roll a test myself

BigJ

[BigJ]

You know, my damn curiosity is peaked so I'm going roll a test myself

Ok, did a bunch of testing, here's my conclusions: -

- Taking 4 non-caster levels means you get NO epic feats at lvl 21.
- Lower epic spells are not available on Dag Mage levels.
- Hellball and Entopic Husk are available when you have the spellcraft (30 + 31)
- Taking an AT/Wiz lvl instead of Dag Mage at 23/25/27/29 does offer the other epic spells.
- May be a JEGS bug, I believe Dag Mage is a really popular class and if bug was in-game loads of people would be screaming about it.

Additional conclusions -

- I woke up early and couldn't get back to sleep, this is what I did to distract myself, I am one sad dude . .
- I really really want to play a Wizard, never played one before. Pure human wizard looks like a right feat beast
- Deathgrowl guessed the problem in an earlier post without doing any testing and didn't get up early just to do some testing, he is much better than me.

BigJ

[PJtheFey]

Hopefully they will fix it soon... Is this something a DM can fix if I take DSM in game, like manually swapping out feats, etc?

[BigJ]

Hopefully they will fix it soon... Is this something a DM can fix if I take DSM in game, like manually swapping out feats, etc?

I expect that'll be no, probably have to be done offline via pm. Just to confirm though PJ it MAY NOT be a bug IG, just with the JEGS module (There are quite a few).

I'd advice making a new thread titled "Daggerspell Mage Epic Spell bug" to try and catch the attention of a Dag Mage player, maybe they could confirm it for you.

That said, worse case scenario even if there is an IG bug you can avoid it by amending you build plan slightly and picking a Wiz or AT level at lvl 23. That way you can pick the epic spell you want, no bother or delay and no worries about starting your build.

BigJ

[V'rass]

Odd... it should be there?