Should the quests be considered OOC?

[Atlas]

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[Boddynock]

If you do not wish to face the RP of doing an action, then why are you doing it?

And my toon harassing another toon for perceived and witnessed evil actions is ABSOLUTELY harassment. But one PC harassing another PC is hardly the same as a player harassing a player, is it?

This isn't a single player game, and you don't get to choose how other characters respond to the actions of your character. There is no viable reason, OOC or otherwise, a paladin on helm needs to do a quest to help an imp. If the excuse is XP, you can make it up in other ways.

And harassment, by the way, would be me stealth camping near the imp to see who does the quest, which i do NOT do... Or following after they simply leave the area having not role played with me.

[Atlas]

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[Boddynock]

You however, don't have the right to completely make up sensationalist defamatory role play about a character if the action you are basing such rumour spreading on was an out of character action, and by the measure of the rules of the server, didn't even happen.

To which I would also say, your concept about spreading misinformation and such, without working out the details of such, or even gleaning the opinion of your character's targets, and how their players feel about what it would appear you like doing with your own character, is pretty bad and inconsiderate form.

Actually, I have the right to do with my character as I please, as long as I am willing to play out the resulting RP. This includes relating events my character has witnessed to whomever I wish, or (and I know this might be a shock to some) completely lying about a character in order to ruin that character's reputation. Characters having feuds and enemies is a real thing. D&D is literally a game built on conflict, and not partially, but entirely on it. If I wanted to tell everyone, IC, that I literally saw a character eating babies, I can do that, whether it is true or not.

It only become harassment, and I stress this point, when the motivation for doing these things is OOC. Players should not have feuds with other players, but characters are another thing entirely.

[Steve]

– Roleplay
– This is a Role-play Server set in the Forgotten Realms campaign world. Please respect the setting and stay in-character (IC). You can go out-of-character (OOC) if there is need for clarifications, or if you wouldn't be disturbing role-play around you by doing so (please mark your OOC speech by placing either (( , // or ooc: before or behind it).

Players making a choice to do the Quests but refrain from RP while doing them, I find, to be disturbing to the role-play, around.

I totally, completely, fully, consciously understand the need to level up, get as much XP as easy and with the most reliability possible. Race to the finish line!!! (and all that). But it really isn't cool if getting that fix means a Player is intentionally ignoring other Players/PCs while doing Quests. I mean, your PC is fully allowed to ignore another PC in-character...but that isn't what I mean, and you know it.

It has been said time and time and time...and time again, that the majority of the Quests are poorly written to a) make sense doing more than once, b) to reflect the range of Alignments and Professions that would do the quest(s), c) are by far the best way to level with an Epic Toon, if you wish to power level (well...of course, the GRIND...the GRIND!!!).

I do not believe there is anyone currently available to take on the effort to make a change on the Quests. Historically, whenever anyone DID try, the Quest gets borked. And really...in the past, Luna just put his foot down on not doing anymore changes/updates, because of it.

So we are stuck with what we have. And though we are stuck, there is still this: we all, should not, be taking advantage of any situation where we can generate role-play. In the ACT of DOING the Quests, each and every one of us has the means to generate role-play.

Is that not what you are here on BGTSCC for!?!?

[Boddynock]

Right? Every opportunity to create RP is just that, an opportunity!

And the basic gist of what I am saying boils down to this:

If you want to do your quests OOC, fine, do it. But the very second another player is present you are not longer the sole person involved in the decision about whether or not something they saw was OOC or not. You can ask, but since two people are involved now, that conversation should absolutely happen.

[Atlas]

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[chad878262]

so it is ok for those players that are not allowed in BG/Beregost/Nashkel to OOC in order to do quests / go to the cloudpeaks, but it is not ok for a 'good' PC to do the 'evil' quest? sorry but no. Quests are either fully OOC and should not be held against a player are they are fully IC with all the implications that come with that (which essentially stops any PC member of an evil faction from doing all, but two of the surface quests).

I think at this point it would be smart to just request a DM ruling on this, one way or the other because there is a lot of comments about using certain actions in questing as IC without considering the other side.

[Boddynock]

Except if you and your character witnessed an out of character action, such as the static quests are as far as I am aware.

Then your character didn't actually witness it at all, and your character's rumour spreading and so forth would by all laws and means of the server and setting be nothing but defamatory lies.

That is not something I disagree with.

I disagree with this sort of thing being taken to a vindictive, vicarious and obsessive level to which it becomes an out of character obsession and hatred.

As you said before, there is no official ruling on whether or not questing is, in fact, and OOC action. Therefore it is up to the witness whether or not they wish to treat it as such, until a DM says otherwise.

Like I said before, if you are doing an OOC quest for xp you wouldn't normally do, and someone spots you, ask OOC if they would kindly disregard that. You'll find, I think, most people are willing to oblige you. But make no mistake, you should be asking, as there is no rule on the matter.

[RagingPeace]

it would be stupid to make a ruling on this, it would ruin it for those of us who take it as an ic action, believe it or not, much of my rp is done through meeting- and doing quests with people. secondly, by ruling it as being only ic would obviously ruin it for those who find the quests silly, and take them as ooc leveling.

i'd recommend people putting on the afk marker when they do anything related to the quest, talking to a quest giver, collecting a wyvern egg etc, but removing it as soon as they have done it, to allow rp to flow. find another ic reason for being in the area.

[AlwaysSummer Day]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metagaming just saying. . . .

Also if this is ruled as OOC then can I grind my lawful good characters using vamp feast and create greater undead since they are more powerful then damnation and summon creature without having to deal with IC repercussions? I mean it is the same thing right?

How about IC repercussions for killing creatures while grinding? Can we make it so Juli/Ivan have to leave us alone for slaughtering Lizardmen?

Finally wouldn't running quests with the AFK tag on be considered AFK Grinding?

[Karond]

Finally wouldn't running quests with the AFK tag on be considered AFK Grinding?

Why would it be that? AFK grinding is exploiting. Setting the tag to AFK is exactly what for example Gray orc characters do to enter cities in order to begin the quests. This is for OOC reasons, which is perfectly allowed even though they're not allowed in cities IC. Going from this, it's not unreasonable for other characters to do the same and keep that tag up while also finishing those quests.

[Snarfy]

Setting the tag to AFK is exactly what for example Gray orc characters do to enter cities in order to begin the quests. This is for OOC reasons, which is perfectly allowed even though they're not allowed in cities IC. Going from this, it's not unreasonable for other characters to do the same and keep that tag up while also finishing those quests.

You would think its not unreasonable, and it shouldnt be, really. I find the double standard being displayed here to be a bit laughable, in that players will, on one hand, persecute another character IC'ly for OOC'ly doing certain quests, yet they have no problem turning the other cheek when a gray orc trundles through town doing the same.

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Also if this is ruled as OOC then can I grind my lawful good characters using vamp feast and create greater undead since they are more powerful then damnation and summon creature without having to deal with IC repercussions? I mean it is the same thing right?

How about IC repercussions for killing creatures while grinding? Can we make it so Juli/Ivan have to leave us alone for slaughtering Lizardmen?

These are very valid points to consider as it relates to adherence to role-play and staying IC. Which brings us to the other leering double-standard on display here. Let's be totally honest: unless your character has murderous/psycopathic tendencies, there is absolutely nothing in-character about wantonly slaughtering xvarts in their village for hours on end. Nothing. Grinding is an OOC mechanism used by players to gain experience points. You can dress it up in all the RP justifications you want, but at the end of the day grinding is about as OOC as you can get. Perhaps we should ask for a ruling on that while we're at it.

Or... we can simply let bygones be bygones and be content with our fellow players enjoying their BG experience however they will.

[chad878262]

Or... we can simply let bygones be bygones and be content with our fellow players enjoying their BG experience however they will.

Well said... +1

[Steve]

Or... we can simply let bygones be bygones and be content with our fellow players enjoying their BG experience however they will.

Then please remove the need to give an "RP out" before I come kill your toon.

Edited.

And, let us not forget this:

It might be fun... if players adhered to the notion of:

RP the consequences of your actions

... which they seldom do. And that ends up being not much fun for the players who have to repeatedly be subjected to the immersion wrecking RP situations that are inevitably created by players who indulge in consequence free behavior.