Incoming Update

[Bobthehero]

Changelog? Or do we wait for the Alwayssummerday version

[chad878262]

An update is apparently impending, we just got the server message. Is this "the" update I wonder?

Also... I'm a bit fuzzy on something, and a little concerned about the "dispel fix" going in. Forgive my ignorance, but maybe someone can explain how this is going to affect wand/scroll usage? I'm a bit ignorant on wands/scrolls and CL in general, so specifically:

- How hard is this "fix"(I hesitate to even call it that, based on everything I've heard) going to hit those that use wands to buff?

- Is the CL of wands/scrolls based on the crafters CL, or the users?

- are pixies/orcs/mobs in general(and their cheating AI that spams dispel at warded toons) going to be able to dispel wand/consumable reliant toons to the nines?

Short answer is that wand/scroll/potion users will be dispelled rather easily by spamming mobs. CL is set based on the caster level obsidian made (so for instance barkskin scroll/wands is always CL 12, shield is CL 5). So assassin spells, blackguard spells, caster builds with less than CL29 and umd users can be dispelled.

[Snarfy]

Short answer is that wand/scroll/potion users will be dispelled rather easily by spamming mobs. CL is set based on the caster level obsidian made (so for instance barkskin scroll/wands is always CL 12, shield is CL 5). So assassin spells, blackguard spells, caster builds with less than CL29 and umd users can be dispelled.

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So it would seem. The shield wand I used was made by a level 30, I'm not sure about the Deathward wand. Both were dispelled on the first try, as you can see.

Err, were the CL's you mentioned the same before the update? The orcs I tested my wands on didn't try to dispel my non-wand buffs, oddly enough. Time to go test on some lower CR mobs... *sigh*

[Dagesh]

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Short answer is that wand/scroll/potion users will be dispelled rather easily by spamming mobs. CL is set based on the caster level obsidian made (so for instance barkskin scroll/wands is always CL 12, shield is CL 5). So assassin spells, blackguard spells, caster builds with less than CL29 and umd users can be dispelled.

So it would seem. The shield wand I used was made by a level 30, I'm not sure about the Deathward wand. Both were dispelled on the first try, as you can see.

Err, were the CL's you mentioned the same before the update? The orcs I tested my wands on didn't try to dispel my non-wand buffs, oddly enough. Time to go test on some lower CR mobs... *sigh*

CL doesn't come into effect when crafting. Player casts spell, game creates item on PC (after a bunch of internal checks). edit: The created item is whatever is in the palette. There is no check for caster level and custom CL for wands/scrolls/potions.

[chad878262]

The caster level of the wand crafter doesn't matter, shield wand will always be CL5 and this easy to dispel. Easy to test it, use the wand and set a timer to see when it expires (shield is a 1min/level spell). Not sure what level death ward casts at... 7 maybe? This would be why the dispel from orcs works the first time since they have higher CL.

[Snarfy]

CL doesn't come into effect when crafting. Player casts spell, game creates item on PC (after a bunch of internal checks). edit: The created item is whatever is in the palette. There is no check for caster level and custom CL for wands/scrolls/potions.

The caster level of the wand crafter doesn't matter, shield wand will always be CL5 and this easy to dispel. Easy to test it, use the wand and set a timer to see when it expires (shield is a 1min/level spell). Not sure what level death ward casts at... 7 maybe? This would be why the dispel from orcs works the first time since they have higher CL.

Ahh, gotcha.

[pimpjwp]

What in the world did we do to bigby 9 . It's one of the most powerful spells a wizard can learn now it is totally useless. The attacker can hit the hand and kill it last I checked attacking something holding or crushing you is very difficult . The hand has the wizards hp so it will only take any kind of real monster or warrior type 1 to 5 rounds to kill one of the most powerful spells in nwn really? Most summons are stronger than it , bigby 9 is designed to keep things at bay from the soft critical hit weak Wizard now that's gone, meter swarm is already lame and shadow Sim is nerfed are the mage going to get more hp or another decent spell to replace the crippling this does to them a lot of the 9th lvl spells already are weak enough vs real monsters and players

[Shadowcryer]

Short answer is that wand/scroll/potion users will be dispelled rather easily by spamming mobs. CL is set based on the caster level obsidian made (so for instance barkskin scroll/wands is always CL 12, shield is CL 5). So assassin spells, blackguard spells, caster builds with less than CL29 and umd users can be dispelled.

Whoa-whoa! You mean, that NOW you have CL 29+ or you WILL BE DISPELLED?

[TheKai]

Short answer is that wand/scroll/potion users will be dispelled rather easily by spamming mobs. CL is set based on the caster level obsidian made (so for instance barkskin scroll/wands is always CL 12, shield is CL 5). So assassin spells, blackguard spells, caster builds with less than CL29 and umd users can be dispelled.

Whoa-whoa! You mean, that NOW you have CL 29+ or you WILL BE DISPELLED?

Isn't that how it is supposed to originally work? The dispel bug was the game using character level, not caster level. But it's SUPPOSED to be JUST caster level.

[Theodore01]

Short answer is that wand/scroll/potion users will be dispelled rather easily by spamming mobs. CL is set based on the caster level obsidian made (so for instance barkskin scroll/wands is always CL 12, shield is CL 5). So assassin spells, blackguard spells, caster builds with less than CL29 and umd users can be dispelled.

Whoa-whoa! You mean, that NOW you have CL 29+ or you WILL BE DISPELLED?

Isn't that how it is supposed to originally work? The dispel bug was the game using character level, not caster level. But it's SUPPOSED to be JUST caster level.

Yes, but the game-world was build knowing that the bug was there !
If it is now not anymore, then many of the encounters needs to be altered to reflect that.

[TheKai]

Yes, but the game-world was build knowing that the bug was there !
If it is now not anymore, then many of the encounters needs to be altered to reflect that.

Now that'll be some fun eh!

[Shadowcryer]

Isn't that how it is supposed to originally work? The dispel bug was the game using character level, not caster level. But it's SUPPOSED to be JUST caster level.

I kindly offer you a link here, since it seems like such unawarness of players and administration about PhB rules severely damages balance and roleplay:
http://chet.kindredcircle.org/pdf/DnD3. ... yClass.pdf

Page 5: Dispel Magic, Greater(PH p210)(PH3.5e)+ – As Dispel Magic, but up to +20 on the check.

UP TO 20. NOT 24 AND NOT 29, unless it is Mord's.

[sweetlikesplenda]

An update is apparently impending, we just got the server message. Is this "the" update I wonder?

Also... I'm a bit fuzzy on something, and a little concerned about the "dispel fix" going in. Forgive my ignorance, but maybe someone can explain how this is going to affect wand/scroll usage? I'm a bit ignorant on wands/scrolls and CL in general, so specifically:

- How hard is this "fix"(I hesitate to even call it that, based on everything I've heard) going to hit those that use wands to buff?

- Is the CL of wands/scrolls based on the crafters CL, or the users?

- are pixies/orcs/mobs in general(and their cheating AI that spams dispel at warded toons) going to be able to dispel wand/consumable reliant toons to the nines?

The CL is the first level the caster can select/cast the spell normally. So, if a fireball wand is created it will use the first level this can be cast normally, which is level 3. So the CL on the wand for the fireball will be level 3, even if the caster that made it is level 30. A Barkskin wand should only be able to give in the 1-6 spell caster level range which only gives a + 3 Natural Armor bonus. So, regardless of the level of the caster, it will give the lowest level possible to cast the spell. I am pretty sure this is how it works. It should be the same for scrolls, I believe, unless the scroll has another CL listed in the description.

I played on a NWN1 server years ago whose dev team went in and adjusted it to actual CL. But, that does not seem to be the case here.

[DM Golem]

Yes, but the game-world was build knowing that the bug was there !
If it is now not anymore, then many of the encounters needs to be altered to reflect that.

Yes.

The Dispel cap is one aspect that QC are looking at closely as things play out post update. With an update this size a degree of post-update tinkering is going to be neccessary.

[Shadowcryer]

Yes.

The Dispel cap is one aspect that QC are looking at closely as things play out post update. With an update this size a degree of post-update tinkering is going to be neccessary.

Can you tell us, please, exact CL cap for Dispel Magic and Greater Dispel Magic in this update? The current one.