I am saying that in my field (medical science) researchers pay hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars to reduce bias and still have failed. But, as everyone knows, you cannot prove a negative. So no, I am not saying objectivity is impossible, just that no one in the history of mankind has ever presented evidence to suggest it is 100% achievable. Evidence shows, at best, you can increase objectivity and decrease bias, not that you can achieve the former or eliminate the latter.Deathgrowl wrote:Rofl, are you saying objectivity is impossible?Boddynock wrote: @Deathgrowl: Your bias lies with whichever character you favor more. Everyone has bias, literally everyone, unless you aren't human.
Clairaudience/Clairvoyance
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Re: Clairaudience/Clairvoyance
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DM_Absolution
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Re: Clairaudience/Clairvoyance
This thread is getting a bit heated, simmer down or i will lock the thread!
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I know, right?!?Thids wrote:What??? Why are people arguing about amplify and amplify wands? God damn it, I wasted 2 hours of my time following this crap.
And, just to make sure I wasn't losing my mind(which is guaranteed if I keep reading this thread), I just tested amplify again on my bard. Boom, + 20 listen!
Continue enjoying your huge detection bonus with the amplify spell or an amplify wand everyone! Nothing to see here...

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QC test content, and identify bugs, and suggest balance changes.
They do not code or make the changes though; and our scripters and devs only have so much time (They are working very, very, very hard at the moment as it is) so sometimes things slip through the gaps or take time to be resolved. I appreciate that more information would be ideal here, and its something I've asked for, but we have to be patient.
This makes the tone and content of some posts unhelpful, but I understand thats from not having adequate information to judge.
Also many players and staff members are working hard on bug stomping at the moment, and that is getting everyone frazzled - players and staff.
This issue clearly merits being looked at regarding balance concerns again. It will be on the list for the post bug stomping review. Although thats not saying it will change, only that it will be looked at again. Review is implicitly part of the process in this large update.
I'm going to ask for this thread to chill out as people are getting a little heated. Discussion is going in circles here, and getting very close to personal attacks. As Absolution says, it might be necessary to lock the tread if the same vibe continues.
They do not code or make the changes though; and our scripters and devs only have so much time (They are working very, very, very hard at the moment as it is) so sometimes things slip through the gaps or take time to be resolved. I appreciate that more information would be ideal here, and its something I've asked for, but we have to be patient.
This makes the tone and content of some posts unhelpful, but I understand thats from not having adequate information to judge.
Also many players and staff members are working hard on bug stomping at the moment, and that is getting everyone frazzled - players and staff.
This issue clearly merits being looked at regarding balance concerns again. It will be on the list for the post bug stomping review. Although thats not saying it will change, only that it will be looked at again. Review is implicitly part of the process in this large update.
I'm going to ask for this thread to chill out as people are getting a little heated. Discussion is going in circles here, and getting very close to personal attacks. As Absolution says, it might be necessary to lock the tread if the same vibe continues.
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Kagger911
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Re: Clairaudience/Clairvoyance
Back up, let them burn themselves out. No cursing, no blows below the belt. Alright I want a good clean flame war.DM_Absolution wrote:This thread is getting a bit heated, simmer down or i will lock the thread!

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dude, this is what i was talking about the whole 4 pages in an hour thing, holy crap 
everyone is evil till proven otherwise
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Grimdark Hitman
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Can we just remember that wedging yourself into a communication schism between fellow players is something to be avoided, even if inevitable-seeming. Golem is right that the QC team is overloaded with work right now, and though fair criticism is just as well-deserved as compliments it shouldn't outweigh the benefits; such as the lovely Uldoon's trail, there is no need to get all passive-aggressive, and I am referring to both players.
Playing other games/gave up.
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Re: Clairaudience/Clairvoyance
We will take this into consideration and return to you with an answer of how we feel after a recess, the PC team is currently thinking of a way to postpone the answer. Thank you for your patience.Grimdark Hitman wrote:Can we just remember that wedging yourself into a communication schism between fellow players is something to be avoided, even if inevitable-seeming. Golem is right that the QC team is overloaded with work right now, and though fair criticism is just as well-deserved as compliments it shouldn't outweigh the benefits; such as the lovely Uldoon's trail, there is no need to get all passive-aggressive, and I am referring to both players.
All jokes aside, you've done a hell of a job.
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Re: Clairaudience/Clairvoyance
I'm looking into alternatives that will align with both Pen and paper and the fact that this is NWN2, which is different from Pen and Paper in many ways.
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I warned you.
Thread locked!
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