Suggestion: Sorcerers and their known spells

[matelener]

With the addition of so many custom spells I can't find the right balance between what I want my sorceress to have mechanically and what RP-wise. Picking just a few roleplay spells (useful rather infrequently) might cripple a sorcerer badly as there are plenty of 'must picks' at most spell levels. Less knowledgeable about character building players must have even a worse time deciding than me, probably RCRing plenty of times before giving up on building. So, with that being said, I came with a couple of suggestions to remedy this issue:

1. Allow sorcerers to pick one additional RP spell per circle. What's an RP spell is decided by QC. (Problem: Might be difficult to implement?)

2. Allow sorcerers to pick one additional any spell per circle.
(Easy implementation but might be deemed as an unnecessary power buff?)

3. Make all scrolls of RP spells available in shops. Introduce some items with RP spells like: Crystal Ball with Scrying X/day or such.

4. Allow sorcerers to change to some extent their spells outside of leveling up.
(Though, that's a wizard trait and I don't think this idea addresses the problem too well)

[Rhifox]

2 doesn't work. It will just lead to even more spells being considered a "must pick" as the majority of players will use those slots for more combat spells.

1 and 4 can't be done with the current spell casting mechanics, and if 4 were to ever be implemented it should go to shamans if anything. We actually are supposed to have that, per PnP. I could see sorcs possibly having some kind of kit for that, but know that spell retrieval is balanced by only giving you about half of the spells known per level and this is likely what would be done on BG if it were added.

3 is really the big one. I don't know about making them all available in shops, but there's no reason why the new spells should not be scribable/potionable/wandable by casters who do pick them.


Really, though, versatility isn't supposed to be a sorcerer's thing. You're not supposed to be able to get all the spells you'd like to have. The primary draw to playing a wizard over a sorcerer is the ability to get all of these desired spells. In PnP sorcs have an even larger catalog to choose from than we have on BG, with the same spell progression. The idea is that they're supposed to go to wizards if they want the other stuff, unless they're lucky enough to find some item or scroll that provides it (so on that again I agree that #3 should be done, to a point).

[Blackman D]

the advantage sorc has over wiz is the ability to spontaneously cast which isnt possible in nwn which kills the advantage and balance of having so few spells - they are actually versatile but because of spontaneous casting, its just a limited versatility

3 is really the big one. I don't know about making them all available in shops, but there's no reason why the new spells should not be scribable/potionable/wandable by casters who do pick them.

the reason why is because adding a spell is one thing, adding to the crafting 2DAs to be enabled for such use is another, it is plenty possible sure but it is extra work

as for the other stuff, its not that they are bad suggestions or havent already been thought of but sorc is not an easy class to mess with because of how nwn2 treats their spells, there is also some bug that locks spells from being swapped out to the point if you really wanted to switch certain spells you would have to delevel all the way down to 1 so the bug clears itself

[Nomster]

Having more scrolls in the stores would be nice. Spells like Water Breathing, Analyze Dweomer and many of the other RP spells and not-so-powerful spells. I see no harm in that at all.