Change from FVS/Blackguard.

[Kiran]

Hi guys!

With what I am seeing from the general topic thread FVS's are perhaps getting fully removed or nerfed which I think is okay, having played one all the way up to 24 now I think its the right thing as we do have a bit of everything..

However the roleplay of my character is a healer, not a cleric, sort of using leeches, bleedings, and old school methods of healing people. Basically a man stuck in the old ways to say the least.

I focus mainly on pve/roleplay so what I am looking for is a character who can still heal (Can be through heal packs, would fit the rp better perhaps) Uses a shield, heavy armour, and can sort of tank/be the front guy in a group.

I was looking at going straight up blackguard with a bit of tweaking here and there, but I dont see the point in smite good if I am a pve'er mainly.

So to summarise..

Has to be a human. (Old)
Has to have healing either through magic or healing packs (So need the skill to fit in)
Has to wear heavy armour,
Has to use a hammer, maul, club, or a two handed version.
Should have decent AC
He is a bit evil/insane so Cleric being the obvious choice to switch to is a no go for me. (Unless lore wise you can think of a reason, my lore knowledge is a bit vague, but he is slowly turning evil in game, working for a vampire lord etc on the sly and also a mercenary for the ebon blades)

Does not have to have magical powers, his healing can be straight through healing packs.
Should not be a cleric, does not fit the rp. (See above for reasons he could be a cleric.
Can't be a paladin... blackguard is a possiblity, but they are rather rubbish pve wise from the builds I seen.

[Jepop]

Have you looked into the Hospitaler prc? Seems like it would be right up your alley.

[Charraj]

Wait, can't you have evil clerics? They're not restricted to being Good-aligned.

Or am I misunderstanding your post somehow?

[Rhifox]

However the roleplay of my character is a healer, not a cleric, sort of using leeches, bleedings, and old school methods of healing people. Basically a man stuck in the old ways to say the least.

Your RP has not seemed to actually do this, though, as I've noticed you using spells to heal people instead of Healing Kits and the Heal skill (which is what represents physical healing). For your rebuild, I highly suggest maxing out the Heal skill and avoiding healing magic completely, otherwise your character does not come across as someone that actually uses mundane healing. Unfortunately though, it's also the case that nearly every class that actually gets Heal as a class skill, also gets healing magic.

What I would suggest is something like fighter/blackguard. While yes, it may not be the best of PRCs, it's one you already have now, it fits for the frontline and evil fighter type you want, and most of all it provides Heal as a class skill. If you space out the blackguard levels, you should be able to maximize the Heal ranks, and fighter itself is a pretty easy way to fulfill the rest of your requirements.

He is a bit evil/insane so Cleric being the obvious choice to switch to is a no go for me. (Unless lore wise you can think of a reason, my lore knowledge is a bit vague, but he is slowly turning evil in game, working for a vampire lord etc on the sly and also a mercenary for the ebon blades)

There are many evil clerics, and insane ones (and evil insane ones, although Cyric, the ideal god for that, isn't around yet).

[Kiran]

Have you looked into the Hospitaler prc? Seems like it would be right up your alley.

I have not, I dont really understand them or know what kind of class would fit with it thats no FVS or cleric? Love to know more.

Wait, can't you have evil clerics? They're not restricted to being Good-aligned.

Or am I misunderstanding your post somehow?

Missunderstood completely hehe, what I meant is, my char is the one I cant see suddenly becoming a evil cleric, cant see how he would make that change, I know there are evil clerics etc

Your RP has not seemed to actually do this, though, as I've noticed you using spells to heal people instead of Healing Kits and the Heal skill (which is what represents physical healing). For your rebuild, I highly suggest maxing out the Heal skill and avoiding healing magic completely, otherwise your character does not come across as someone that actually uses mundane healing. Unfortunately though, it's also the case that nearly every class that actually gets Heal as a class skill, also gets healing magic.

What I would suggest is something like fighter/blackguard. While yes, it may not be the best of PRCs, it's one you already have now, it fits for the frontline and evil fighter type you want, and most of all it provides Heal as a class skill. If you space out the blackguard levels, you should be able to maximize the Heal ranks, and fighter itself is a pretty easy way to fulfill the rest of your requirements.

Oh.. thought I made it obvious my char uses old school ideas of how healing should be, but yeah, made the char when new to lore/game, figured him "healing" with divine powers I could explain away, but I 100% agree, healing packs make much more sense now lore wise looking back.

I was looking at something like that, fighter/blackguard, but everytime I try build something I am told "Sorry, thats not working in our game, nope, that feat is not there etc.." Why it would be lovely to get a general idea of what to follow from one of the pro/expert builders, or atleast throw ideas back and forth

[Moltrazahn]

I would suggest 10 cleric, 10 hospitaler, 10 herophant.
Pick a god with the healing domain, and chose the enhanced healing feat from Herophant. That way, your healing spells are waaaay up there.
If you pick something with a neutral alignment, you can convert spells into healing for free. However given that blackguard requires evil, id personally consider it a nerf to your character going blackguard.

As for the concept, id say use healkits, potions etc for rp, and magic for combat. As already suggested, max out healing skill.

[Kiran]

I would suggest 10 cleric, 10 hospitaler, 10 herophant.
Pick a god with the healing domain, and chose the enhanced healing feat from Herophant. That way, your healing spells are waaaay up there.
If you pick something with a neutral alignment, you can convert spells into healing for free. However given that blackguard requires evil, id personally consider it a nerf to your character going blackguard.

As for the concept, id say use healkits, potions etc for rp, and magic for combat. As already suggested, max out healing skill.

My character is sadly evil, he has done far too much bad things not to be. And I was hoping to go away from the cleric route if possible, unless I would suddenly see myself worshipping something evil, could be a possibility of course, but trying to go with the heal kits idea/potions.

[Tsidkenu]

Try warlock. They get the heal skill

[Pyro_Valgrave]

Hello, try that:

- EVIL: 12Fighter/3Warlock/divine champion (to up saves a bit..) / 4+ Warrior of Darkness (tumble and good appearance of weapon and if more 3-4 /- DR more when CON 21+ build (Epic Damage Reduction));
AC: 58 (10 base +1 dex +3 tumble +1 LoH +1 Armor skin +2 G.Heavy Armor Optimization +4 nat +4 defl +4 dodge +8 Full Plate +6 IMA +4 T.Shield +4 Shield ench. +6 ICE)

- GOOD: 12F/4+Anointed Knight/ all You want.
AC: SAME

My build have:
START Stats: 16/12/15/14/12/8
END Stats: 17/12/21/14/12/8 (500+hp, 13/- DR, 29f/13r/21w saving throws, 46 heal skill etc.. )

Req: +3 str/con item and "nice" (+4 items)..

P.S. Dont forget we got here Epic Skill Focus Heal !!