Amplify and Clairaudience

[chad878262]

Assumption has many sayings attached to it..."mother of all f ups" "makes an @$$ out of u and me" are a couple.

Case in point, M3ntalist didn't push for any items I the epic store. They were submitted and approved, but no one in qc created specific items.

Feel free to return to the mud slinging without any facts...

[mrm3ntalist]

Assumption has many sayings attached to it..."mother of all f ups" "makes an @$$ out of u and me" are a couple.

Case in point, M3ntalist didn't push for any items I the epic store. They were submitted and approved, but no one in qc created specific items.

Feel free to return to the mud slinging without any facts...

Dont bother Chad. Let them think that I pushed the items lol. It wont change a thing. Like i said to DM lobo's thread some will see things the way they want, no matter what. I can handle such people easily. You dont need to waste your energy. Keep doing the excellent work you do and leave them to me

[AlwaysSummer Day]

Most "giant" creatures on the server have AB and damage bonuses against Dwarves. When asked why I was told "Dwarven Defender OP" so they had to be nerfed.

Oh, i thought there was an actual nerf. I cant remember since when some giants those FE feats but definetely was not a QC desicion, nor anyone really bothered with it. Do you know how many mobs have similar "bonuses" for different builds? Like DR, immunities to spells, scripts written to deal with picking mobs one by one etc?

Your own interest? What you play. That should be obvious.

It is not obvious. What do i (we?) play?

DR? Immunities? Those are not targeting builds let alone classes or races. Id love to hear a list of all other creatures with bonuses designed to nerf a race despite lore. I'd also like to hear why FS is untouchable in this regard.

Oh and btw your characters are listed in your signature not that I need that to know you mostly play sneaks.

[Snarfy]

You still can't answer my question: Were the monstrous sneak buffs through items and nerfs of the spells a RP, pvp or a pve related change?

Monstrous? Please, allow me to put things into perspective for you, since you seem to be so grossly (self)misinformed.

My dedicated sneak netted the following from the changes:
+ 0 AC, -2 listen, +1 spot, and +3 hide/MS when in stealth mode.

Wow! Talk about monstrous buffs...

End result: Spotters/detection heavy classes will still detect my character 9 times out of ten(with medium effort, IE: a few buffs and 2 or 3 pieces of detection gear), and all the higher end content will still mop the floor with my sneaks ass. Woohoo!

In other words, said changes will not effect the RP, PvP, or PvE aspect of my playing(unless you believe those +3's to hide/MS will help me PWN the server somehow).

I play neither a sneak nor a "detector" and I was just proven right beyond any doubt! Majority of the QC team is either utterly clueless or utterly biased when it comes to the matters of balance.

Uhh, when you say you play neither a sneak nor a detector and claim you were proven right beyond any doubt, when one stops to take a look at the actual numbers it makes your "monstrous" claims come off as lacking in any and all perspective on the matter(some might say clueless and biased even). Just sayin'.

[mrm3ntalist]

DR? Immunities? Those are not targeting builds let alone classes or races. Id love to hear a list of all other creatures with bonuses designed to nerf a race despite lore. I'd also like to hear why FS is untouchable in this regard.

Any immunities or feats mobs have dont target races but mostly play style. For example the Balor ahs many immunities that makes DC casters weak against him. He has added DR to lower the damage dealers. DDs can get the most DR than anyone, thats why someone thought to put the FEs on giants. That is a very old thing, before me and i am just explaining what the logic is. To target builds, not races. It is not something i agree with but thats how ( i think ) it is.

Oh and btw your characters are listed in your signature not that I need that to know you mostly play sneaks.

Oh, so it is about me. You think that because I play a ranger ( sneak ) i pushed for the items?

You cant be more wrong in your assumptions. Mendel has no need for any items that got in. He was covered well before the shop went in. If anything it would make more sense for me not to push for such items to go in, in order for my character to have the edge and my many epic stealth items to hold their value.

Then what about the FSs. I dont play an FSs yet i am against nerfing it. How am I biased on that?

My second character is a dwarf, one of the very few i have biography written? Why would i support any nerfs if i was biased?

Your assumptions about me making desicions because of bias are 100% wrong and unfounded. So i return the biased claims back at you.

[Mallore]

Most "giant" creatures on the server have AB and damage bonuses against Dwarves. When asked why I was told "Dwarven Defender OP" so they had to be nerfed.

Oh, i thought there was an actual nerf. I cant remember since when some giants those FE feats but definetely was not a QC desicion, nor anyone really bothered with it. Do you know how many mobs have similar "bonuses" for different builds? Like DR, immunities to spells, scripts written to deal with picking mobs one by one etc?

Your own interest? What you play. That should be obvious.

It is not obvious. What do i (we?) play?

DR? Immunities? Those are not targeting builds let alone classes or races. Id love to hear a list of all other creatures with bonuses designed to nerf a race despite lore. I'd also like to hear why FS is untouchable in this regard.

Oh and btw your characters are listed in your signature not that I need that to know you mostly play sneaks.

I do not think QC needs a hand here. But. Since you called this out. The hobgoblins in dragonspire are massively if not over buffed with detection against sneaks.

The Giants in the ice king place are also over buffed with detection against sneaks. In my opinion.

There are giants immune to rogue sneak attacks in the hills until your at... Haven't found it yet even at level 18.

Naskael Mines (sorry for spelling) many of the creatures are immune to sneak attack till you are over level for the area to be a challanges anyways.

The servers recommend starting are of the Grave Yard is undead meaning a level one rogue with out str bonus can't do crud. I know it's tough being a newb. I had to do it.

The list goes on.

Not to get into a flame fight. But these are facts


Also if someone wanted to prove bias all they have to do is put the effort. Every member is know. Just looks at there main character. Compile information and you get a basic idea of Balance. It's research and effort. But I think they are not bias.


I also think sneaks are still under power considerable.

[Mallore]

Silly opinion time.

all this complaining that sneaks should be detectable is like claiming casters should spell fail nine out of ten times.


Just a perspective. .

[thids]

I can keep repeating myself all night, but I'm not going to do that over a topic I have no direct relation to. Your post from the QC forums mrmentalist shows an opinion of a sneak player. That is what it is, you can provide numbers all you want, at the end of the day it is your opinion that sneaks should be detectable and not detectable at certain numbers. And seeing that is almost exclusively RP related, it should not be in the domain of QC to decide upon nor should QC be providing input about "RP balance". That right there is the entire issue.

I'm glad you guys at least sustained from calling me a "sneak hater" again.

@snarfy You either had some special items from before, or you haven't visited the new shop and bought everything from there.

[Mallore]

I can keep repeating myself all night, but I'm not going to do that over a topic I have no direct relation to. Your post from the QC forums mrmentalist shows an opinion of a sneak player. That is what it is, you can provide numbers all you want, at the end of the day it is your opinion that sneaks should be detectable and not detectable at certain numbers. And seeing that is almost exclusively RP related, it should not be in the domain of QC to decide upon nor should QC be providing input about "RP balance". That right there is the entire issue.

I'm glad you guys at least sustained from calling me a "sneak hater" again.

@snarfy You either had some special items from before, or you haven't visited the new shop and bought everything from there.

I see your opinion. . It's fair I think.


But from rp stand point. Your right. Sneaks should never be detectable. After all in rp, casters get to cast and fighter get to fight.

Sneaks gotta sneak. . But I can be fair and figure 1 out 20 should fail. Which is way higher then it shoul be from a pure rp view. .

[mrm3ntalist]

I can keep repeating myself all night, but I'm not going to do that over a topic I have no direct relation to. Your post from the QC forums mrmentalist shows an opinion of a sneak player. That is what it is, you can provide numbers all you want, at the end of the day it is your opinion that sneaks should be detectable and not detectable at certain numbers. And seeing that is almost exclusively RP related, it should not be in the domain of QC to decide upon nor should QC be providing input about "RP balance". That right there is the entire issue.

Is there something wrong with that opinion? Does it not prove that sneaks wont be undetectable with that spell change? Do you have anything to say against it other than it comes from someone who has a sneak character? Or is it only you who gets to have an opinion and say that everyone else's opinion is biased?

I'm glad you guys at least sustained from calling me a "sneak hater" again.

Nah, I think the grumpy status suits you better

[AlwaysSummer Day]

It's not directed at you at all and I do not have access to your subforum so I do not know who pushes for what. It is a fact though that most members of QC play bards, mages, or sneaks. Bias is unavoidable in all things. QC is not some special non biased group. It is people. People are always biased. Deal with it. You have to admit though that it is silly that FS are unerfable when Dwarves face a nerf. It is BS

http://bgtscc.net/viewtopic.php?f=34&t= ... Dwarf+nerf

[Snarfy]

@snarfy You either had some special items from before, or you haven't visited the new shop and bought everything from there.

I had run of the mill sneak gear from 4 years ago is what I had. And even if I bought all the new stuff(I bought 3 items) I would still net gain... you guessed it: 0 AC, -1 listen(might even be -2), +1(or +2?) spot and... wait for it..... A WHOPPING +4 hide/MS!! BRING ON THE MONSTROUS SERVER PWNAGE when I get that last item!!!

(But, thank goodness I'm not a feignter, they got jack squat *takes his +3's and runs*)

Ok. I'm done.

I also think sneaks are still under power considerable.

Careful! According to naysayers who admittedly do not play sneaks: your experiences from playing a sneak, as well as your opinions on the matter, are completely worthless. Neat huh?

[thids]

@snarfy You either had some special items from before, or you haven't visited the new shop and bought everything from there.

I had run of the mill sneak gear from 4 years ago is what I had. And even if I bought all the new stuff(I bought 3 items) I would still net gain... you guessed it: 0 AC, -1 listen(might even be -2), +1(or +2?) spot and... wait for it..... A WHOPPING +4 hide/MS!! BRING ON THE MONSTROUS SERVER PWNAGE when I get that last item!!!

Ok. I'm done.

I also think sneaks are still under power considerable.

Careful! According to naysayers who admittedly do not play sneaks: your experiences from playing a sneak, as well as your opinions on the matter, are completely worthless. Neat huh?

No one ever said anything about the power of the sneaks. Adding more hide/ms to them certainly doesn't change their mechanical power. And I'm still unsure how you ended up with +0 AC gain. You sure you checked out all the sneak items in the new store?


@mrm you can have all the opinions you want, I am saying that this particular issue should have never been handled by the QC.

[mrm3ntalist]

It's not directed at you at all and I do not have access to your subforum so I do not know who pushes for what. It is a fact though that most members of QC play bards, mages, or sneaks. Bias is unavoidable in all things. QC is not some special non biased group. It is people. People are always biased. Deal with it.

I can deal with your opinion. As you said, you dont know the details yet you are quick to make claims about a supposed nerf on dwarves that were there gods knows since when... Most QC members, even one that has a main a dwarf were not aware of that.

You have to admit though that it is silly that FS are unerfable when Dwarves face a nerf. It is BS

http://bgtscc.net/viewtopic.php?f=34&t= ... Dwarf+nerf

There was no nerf to dwarves... If that is true then there are nerfs for everyone... Different mobs had different extra immunities added to them for whatever reason.

Dwarves not only were not nerfed, but got some race specific PRCs added for them. Even the Dwarven Defender wasnt touched even if someone can claim that it gets too much AC.

[mrm3ntalist]

@mrm you can have all the opinions you want, I am saying that this particular issue should have never been handled by the QC.

Changing a spell should not be commented by the QC? I think you are very wrong on that. By the way, QC does not handle things. The admins and devs do.