3 by 20

[AC81]

Actually not a bad suggestion. 5b30 would be effective. Too bad it wasn't mentioned 8 years ago.

[Blame The Rogue]

5 by 30 would present less diversity in options. other suggestions, such as 3 by 20 for full casters, that would also get the job done, without making a mess of all the multi-classing options

i respect the intent, but would rather do it the caster 3 by 20 way

[chad878262]

Actually not a bad suggestion. 5b30 would be effective. Too bad it wasn't mentioned 8 years ago.

Yep Hips mages would be CL 29... EDM FS and other builds would lose cl too. Unfortunately we'd also probably all have to rebuild characters...again

[AC81]

Yeah, it was mostly a tongue-in-cheek reply. Waaay to late in the servers timeline to implement this.

[chad878262]

Yeah, it was mostly a tongue-in-cheek reply. Waaay to late in the servers timeline to implement this.

Oh I know, it would be an interesting requirement, but no way it can be implemented now

[Storm Munin]

What about allowing 5 classes before 30?

[LISA100595]

After reading all the comments and suggestions I think relaxing the 3 by 20 to 3 by 30 sounds the best option to me.

[NegInfinity]

Super agreed. Maybe should be atleast 5 in a class

There are 3-level prcs. This rule will make them illegal.

What about allowing 5 classes before 30?

Can't do that due to engine limitations, iirc. 4 classes max.

[Akroma666]

After reading all the comments and suggestions I think relaxing the 3 by 20 to 3 by 30 sounds the best option to me.

Just because I haven't posted doesn't mean I agree with this.

Actually it was brought up on Skype during our event last night. Lots of us disagreed with it. I can say there are 3 of us that oppose the idea of changing it at all. 3 by 20 just made the server so much more challenging to build on. Losing it would dramatically change the builds and with the RCR going away, we would all be in our 20s again.

[Mallore]

I see a lot of conversation about builds. Challanges of builds. The creativity of build. Though I thought this server was labeled RP not pve. Hell if you want a real build challanges that is what world of Warcraft is for.

The common argument seams to sacrifice a portion of RP for this concept of builds. Which is utterly unfasinating to some. Could care less about how to maximize my AB by one.

Also nothing says those who are looking for the challange of building do not have to follow 3x20 of their own will. Unless this is not about RP at all and is only about min maxing in which case that's a problem.

[chad878262]

Not everyone may not care, but we do try to create an environment in which different play styles can have fun, not just certain play styles. The simple fact is that balance must be considered when looking at building rules (just as any dm worth his salt makes house rules to ensure the appropriate balance is maintained for a given campaign). 3b20 our any other builds rules only hampers rp so much as you allow your build to determine your rp so I don't buy in to that opinion. The specifics of balance changes for both 3b30 and removal of 3b20 have been posted already and regardless if anyone feels they would have a major or minor impact, they do have impact. Any change does effect balance and that must be considered, not just rp.

[Mallore]

Chad.

I'm sorry but I can not believe that rp should be trumped by anything including power playing. With out a rule in place to make expetions which should be publicly known.


I think it be nice to hear officially if dms would even consider permissions that break this rule for those who chose to continue their character story not based on mechanics but story. I have heard they do and do not.


Knowing there is flex for those non power players would be a wonderful burden of their shoulders. If not I guess I can grumble quietly until I reach say level 25 and some random 100 percent rcr to fix my toon to my own rp standards. After all we have had two months plus of people fine tailoring already for power . Rather just get the okay and avoid rcr nonsense.

[chad878262]

I can not believe that rp should be trumped by anything including power playing.

Key word is "I". You can't believe... But the server allows pvp and balance must be considered for the ~200 other players, not all of them intentionally make "weaker" choices in the name of rp. Rules have been given exceptions in the past for rp reasons, JCVD can comment if he'd like to provide his example, but it will always be case by case and current HDM's may not have made the same decisions as past teams made. I do hope you get your staff response from DM team, but if not I hope you'll consider simply sending a PM if you have a concept that just simply can't work without taking levels in a new class after 20.

[Mallore]

Chad.


Me as well. I do hope but in the end it's not a deal breaker for me. Annoying though.

And while I understand completely your points and many more, everyone usually comes in at the point of "I" unless they are the Borg. I am a large support of the greater good however a clear ruling on the what ifs is always nice and something good to point to.

[chad878262]

I was by no means trying to call out anything other than the fact that the server rules are in place for the betterment of all players. I only meant that while you may always builds with only the rp in mind, past history on this server and elsewhere shows that isn't the majority. Mechanical aspects are a big part of NWN2 and the d&d franchise as a whole, so it's important to consider both. I generally wrote more from the mechanical side because that's what we discuss in QC while server lore integrity is the responsibility of the DMs. Sorry if I came off otherwise...tone doesn't come across well via writing, but I really only meant to make it clear that without 3b20 there would be a difference in the mechanical balance, which is important to some players.