Should DM Events be Over Teen-rated/PG-13?

[AlwaysSummer Day]

I voted Yes because of I am strongly for people being able to say/do what they want so long as it doesn't interfere with someone elses life/liberty/happiness. That said I truly hope the DM's do not do this even with the freedom to. The best thing that can happen is what? More swearing? ERP? Slavery? It's my understanding that Slavery tends to draw out people wanting the ERP BDSM as if this were Haven or something. Torture is already allowed last I checked so long as the participant OK's it and you don't get too "descriptive" which I assume means no cutting off certain parts and such. Once again relates to ERP issues. I know for a fact my characters have partaken in at least three torture RP's with the first being an npc sacrifice to a god, the second torturing another player who was captured, and the third was my character getting captured and tortured. None of these were extreme. Granted this was like 2+ years ago when I was more active and times do change.

[Deathgrowl]

The concept of slavery isn't regulated by PG-13, though, as I understand it. The reason PC slavery isn't allowed on the server is for different reasons. Master and slave players disagree about an aspect of RP, and you soon have a crapstorm of feuding players to deal with. Trust me, it already happens. Sure, two concenting players start some kind of RP together, but by being bound to one another in any strong way (such as capture which is allowed) will often cause player conflict rather than character conflict. During my time as a DM, I saw this happen repeatedly. Opening for slavery is just going to increase the amount of cases of player conflict.

Even though I also agree that people should be allowed as much liberty as possible. But these kind of things hurt the server population in the long run.

[Mallore]

The concept of slavery isn't regulated by PG-13, though, as I understand it. The reason PC slavery isn't allowed on the server is for different reasons. Master and slave players disagree about an aspect of RP, and you soon have a crapstorm of feuding players to deal with. Trust me, it already happens. Sure, two concenting players start some kind of RP together, but by being bound to one another in any strong way (such as capture which is allowed) will often cause player conflict rather than character conflict. During my time as a DM, I saw this happen repeatedly. Opening for slavery is just going to increase the amount of cases of player conflict.

Even though I also agree that people should be allowed as much liberty as possible. But these kind of things hurt the server population in the long run.

People should not play such relationships. Totally agree with you.


It should be allowed player to npc. Npc to npc. But never player to player. Plus there is way cooler things.


Which brings a thought to mind.

Some things should be more okay. Pc to npc. Npc to npc. But never player to player. This maybe the middle ground sought.

[DM Creo]

I have found the PG-13 rule to not be much of a hindrance during my events and I have run some fairly dark plot themes. One involving a cannibalistic serial killer that kept a severed head in his closet, comes to mind. Or another about a group of devils that were cooking people in to meat pies and selling the pies to hungry adventurers. I have also allowed players to seduce NPCs in order to gain information. I find there is no reason to describe in great detail scenes of torture, brutal violence or sexual encounters. Moments like that tend to be more powerful and disturbing when they are imagined. Going in to detail serves little purpose and can actually lessen the impact of these rare moments.

[V'rass]

I voted yes... i dont necessarily want (all) the hard core 18+ stuff but pg13 when you are 32 is a just a bit to restrictive.

[Thorsson]

{Lots of talk about US TV...}

Anyways the list goes on. Yes this is a video game. No video game ratings are a joke and marketing ploy with no standards enforced reasonably by a government body. It's not broad cast so they get around regulations.

Hope we can move to the 16. But I feel good stories can be told at 14. Most people probably do not realize they at 16 already. In fact probably everyone.

From what I read about your US TV ratings we're already at the equivalent of 16 insofar as this game can be.

What do you think we're missing?

[AlwaysSummer Day]

We can already swear. If you disagree well. . .stlarn it Sabruin.

[Mallore]

{Lots of talk about US TV...}

Anyways the list goes on. Yes this is a video game. No video game ratings are a joke and marketing ploy with no standards enforced reasonably by a government body. It's not broad cast so they get around regulations.

Hope we can move to the 16. But I feel good stories can be told at 14. Most people probably do not realize they at 16 already. In fact probably everyone.

From what I read about your US TV ratings we're already at the equivalent of 16 insofar as this game can be.

What do you think we're missing?

I believe in my first post in this thread I said we where already there. Also that most players where (I Believe all) already playing the realm that way.

I personally do not know why someone would want to type out a text block discerning finger nail pulling. Though I am starting to wonder if really almost everyone agrees on a rating but just using the wrong words to discribe it.


As I've not really seen anyone advocate for rape/sexual content.

I've also not really seen anyone say "I want to rp out a five hour highly discriptive torture grind house moment."

I personally do not want to see higher violence content to be done pc to pc. I just do not think it can rp'ed correctly. It's hard enough on real actors to deal with and impossible on real victims. But to npc's and npc on npc is a level of displacement I'm fine with, and is already happening on the server for the most part.


Perhaps it would be worth a person or two to type out a new list of general standards for story and rp and let people view them. This may make the conversation very clear

If anything, people maybe looking for some new defined story telling rules.

[Empoweredfan]

It probably isn't the reason why most people will want a higher rating than the one we got, but there is no denying that we use the rating we have to prevent it. Because there ARE people that want to roleplay torture/abuse/victimizing ect. For whatever reason, I don't know.

What I would have wanted to see at this point, is the reason why one would want a higher rating. What can't be done under our current rules so that they need to be changed? What spesific actions would people want to see allowed?

I've played sexy scenes, without them becoming mature. I've played violent scenes, without them breaching the PG-13 rules. I've played stressful scenes with other PC's without it ever breaching the any rules in any way. And I am a manic emote user. Describing little actions and movements as I come up with them.

So, please. What would a higher PG rating actually add to our server at this point? What would it allow you to do that you can't do now? Because, from my perspective, I honestly can't see anything good coming from it.

[AlwaysSummer Day]

I get the feeling that if we delete the "content = teen" wording some people will calm the tluin down. Then we just have to deal with people who can't handle the colloquial term "pg13" and insist on discussing it's meaning.

[Selande]

I think people are being overly afraid about the rating thing.

DMs generally don't do things that people don't enjoy. But they're there to help keep the setting alive and seem real. Immersion. Sometimes that requires pushing a boundary a time or two.

And if you're upset about something in particular, you can always opt out of an event or simply tell the DM and they'll probably end it.


I just think you're kind of limiting the potential of DM Events if the DMs don't feel free to run them as they please. I hate always feeling like a DM is pulling punches.

[Empoweredfan]

I'm mostly worried about a DM becoming abusive without the restraints of the rules. Because there would be little stopping one, if they locked you up in their events by IC means.

[Selande]

DMs can easily undo that sort of thing if asked.

HDMs can definitely undo it if the DM asked doesn't.

[Empoweredfan]

Not always that easy to undo. It is probably the case now, but didn't use to be. But what sort of punches would a DM have to pull with our current rules?

[Mallore]

I've played sexy scenes, without them becoming mature. I've played violent scenes, without them breaching the PG-13 rules. I've played stressful scenes with other PC's without it ever breaching the any rules in any way. And I am a manic emote user. Describing little actions and movements as I come up with them.

Then you most likely over shot your PG13 by a margin and didn't know it. You didn't go the full MA/NR or 18+ or R (which is different) or NC-17 or five other codes.

I am only good at giving examples to make my point. So what does someone want to do that they can't do now in the rules. Play Tony Saprano. That is not allowed in the current rules.


Now can it be achieved with out the dire fear that some have, yes.

Does it require a discussion. Yes.

Is there an over fear, yes

I think people are hung up on words to much. It's probably time for someone to sit and write out a guide line. Or update the current one where ever it is to a modern statement.