Warlock Thaumaturgist (like) PrC Kit?

[Eclypticon]

I am starting this thread since it came up in another area.

It strikes me as an interesting concept. A warlock with a planer cohort that may be connected somehow to the warlock's pact. Using the thaumaturgist template would not be over powered. I would even suggest giving them weaker planer summons over undead, description changes to make it in line with warlocks and similar requirements with minor adjustments.

[NegInfinity]

I am starting this thread since it came up in another area.

It strikes me as an interesting concept. A warlock with a planer cohort that may be connected somehow to the warlock's pact. Using the thaumaturgist template would not be over powered. I would even suggest giving them weaker planer summons over undead.

As much as I hate idea of enforcing warlock pacts, I think this kind of thing would work better work as a warlock pact (basically, a background or backgroudn feat) which replaces dead walk with another ability. That's probably the easiest way.

PRC really doesn't fit this idea because warlocks are not summoners.

Another way to make this happen would be to implement Eldritch Disciple and Eldritch Theurge from Complete Mage (pages 56..57) which would allow warlock to qualify for thaumaturge as well.

However, those are dual-casting classes which grant Warlock+Cleric and Warlock+Arcanist progressions respectively.

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The biggest issue here that warlocks (afaik) cannot meet Thaumaturgist's requirements, since they can't take Greater Spell Focus Conjuration. Another problem is that they do not actually have a means to summon anything planar-bound other than using scrolls.

So the best implementation of this would be probably a pact of sorts which will replace Dead Walk ability with another effect. The pact feat would probably need to be dm-granted too.

[Eclypticon]

You make a good point.

Now I am thinking we should do warlock pact kits instead. This is probably the best route to go since we cannot use the new spell system now and customize our pacts with that test package.

Pallys are going to get kits. Why not home brew some locks while hooking stuff into lore? There is a lot of room for creativity and RP expression.

We could modify some of the ideas that did not get implemented. Make some spell picks unavailable while replacing others? I am not sure what is possible using the original frame work though.

[NegInfinity]

You make a good point.

Now I am thinking we should do warlock pact kits instead. This is probably the best route to go since we cannot use the new spell system now and customize our pacts with that test package.

As long as pacts aren't enforced and standard warlock with "unknown power source" is the default and the whole standard set of invocations is availale to the default warlock.

You see, one of the beautiful thing about 3.5 warlock is that power can come from many sources. And part of the fun is possibly attempting to figure out what that source is and whether it is even aware of your existence (and if it IS aware, what are its plans about you). So you can sorta live in the looming shadow of some entity which may not be aware of you, or may be after you. Maybe you're a lucky genasi with an extremely strong connection to native plane. Or maybe your character's idiot grand-grand-grand-grand-ancestor sold souls of every descendant to a devil somehow. Or maybe there's something else. It is the fun part.

Also, before everything goes onto slippery slope of homebrewing, ti is worth checking out d&d wotc archives for existing feats and and abilities that might fit. I'm pretty sure d&d archives had something.

See, a year or two when there an experimental spell revamp system was posted, there was a very clear attempt to turn invocations into spells and draw parallels between invocations and arcane magic. Frankly, that worried me becaus warlock's abilities are not spells but spell-like abilities and do not have things such as magical schools (even existence of descriptors is questionable). Another problem with that system was that mapping warlock invocations to magical circles was done in very awkwared way. I'd rather not see something like that.

However, a rare one of a kind occurrence when someone managed to track down their power source and bargained for something else instead of usual abilities would be fine with me. Maybe this specific warlock bargained and got ability similar to baatezu's "summon devil" ability.

Basically, as long as there no attempt to mess up current version of the class, as long as current casting mechanism are still available, there could be warlock pact kits. I just don't want those modifications to mess up standard warlock.