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[RamenKing]

Hello,

I have noticed the server had quite the variety of travel and transportation spells, to include the fantastic set of Portal arcane spells. I would like to build a PC with a field specialization concerning such. Unfortunately for me, I am drawing a blank on possible class combinations that could emulate such:

http://dnd4.wikia.com/wiki/Gatecrasher
http://alcyius.com/dndtools/classes/gat ... index.html
https://dnd-wiki.org/wiki/Gatecrasher_(3.5e_Feat)

Can I ask for help from the community to gather builds and ideas? As I am not the most adept at playing a full caster type, I would prefer something along the lines of an arcane gish. It doesn't particularly matter if it's armored, unarmored, sword and board or crossbow/archer gish. I'll consider just about anything. Some things I would prefer though, would be at least CL 28-30, lots of skill points for open lock and disable device (as I think it would go fine with the theme) non orc, but planetouched I think would fit appropriately if necessary. Not sure if it's possible but at least three levels of Thaumaturge would fit amazingly with the RP.

I am not looking for something that can ROFLMAO stomp the server, but I would like something that can hold his own in both solo and party play. I have tried creating something on the builder but my building skills are pretty much next to none, so I am turning here for help. I am extremely interested in this idea, so I am willing to offer some IG gold as a thank you.

Best regards,
RK

[Valefort]

I'm nto sure Bard can actually pick Thaumaturge as a PRC but ... if they can : http://nwn2db.com/build/?253831

It's a fun build but since it's a bard it'll still be completely fine.

[RamenKing]

Interesting build Valefort, thanks. In my initial brainstorm, bard never came to mind. I like the use of divine seeker too. If thaumaturge can not be taken, any substitute class you recommend?

[Storm Munin]

But is that actually a high level caster build?

Dimensional door and minor teleport seem to be the stock spells of the class.
Possibly a full progression of whirling dervish (minor teleport) would set you up well on what are otherwise a mage build.

Or, do a more roguish build with access to similar spells to those from the Gatecrasher class?

After all, most any class can handle lore arcana 25, scrolls surrounding portal play are available.

Bard20 whirling dervish10? Not the strongest of builds admittedly.

The trick of the class would after all be having social connections (including wierd ones), knowing portals, knowing esoteric languages and to have some skill at aquiring.


Indiana Jones planeshifting style?

Edit:
If you want a clergy route Shaundakul offers the Portal domain along with the trade domain.

[RamenKing]

Those are all very good points (and great advice to tailor the RP too )

I never considered Whirling Dervish with minor teleport. Now that's an interesting angle to go to as well. It would be hard to maintain a good CL with 10 levels of it though, wouldn't it? I do see that the it gains multiple Skill focus' though..that would be great for the RP of the class.

It would be hardpressed to fit Archmage (for spell power). Spellpower III, plus PSC would leave it at 27 CL (and that's with the other classes being full spellcasting progression

I thought of Shaundakul as well (and Eilistraee though I am unsure if she has male clergy). That Portal domain literally has every spell that would fit this RP perfectly! Sadly, I would prefer Mystra or Azuth as a deity if I went the clergy route.

[Storm Munin]

Well, with those connections I am sure it would find a shaundakulite, even an eilistraeean or a grumbling wizard to gain access to the proper portal spells.

Oghma might be even better if its the thrill of knowledge your dastardly daredevil truly seeks.

[RamenKing]

Shaundakuns make great Gatecrashers.

Made in the builder an Aasimar Cleric/Bard/Stormsinger/Hierophant with Epic Divine Might and Portal/Air Domains.

Theme goes pretty well for a Shaundakun Cleric

http://nwn2db.com/build/?253852

[RamenKing]

But is that actually a high level caster build?

Dimensional door and minor teleport seem to be the stock spells of the class.
Possibly a full progression of whirling dervish (minor teleport) would set you up well on what are otherwise a mage build.

Or, do a more roguish build with access to similar spells to those from the Gatecrasher class?

After all, most any class can handle lore arcana 25, scrolls surrounding portal play are available.

Bard20 whirling dervish10? Not the strongest of builds admittedly.

The trick of the class would after all be having social connections (including wierd ones), knowing portals, knowing esoteric languages and to have some skill at aquiring.


Indiana Jones planeshifting style?

Edit:
If you want a clergy route Shaundakul offers the Portal domain along with the trade domain.

This time I'd like to steer away from a divine class, and as nice as Valefort's build is, I'd like to try to keep wizard as a base class.

I was actually thinking a mix like a Rog/AT/DSM/Wiz would do the trick. Lots of skill points and high CL but I don't think I understand the play style correctly.

Then I saw a build by Scuda with Rog/SD/AT/Wiz. I think this centered around RTA's, but still carries the valued skillpoints. Not to mention levels in SD could lead to an interesting back story of spending time in the Plane of Shadow. http://nwn2db.com/build/?242752

Sobepop also has an 'Indiana Jones' style of the above using a crossbow but it's feat starved and not sure how well that would play out. http://nwn2db.com/build/?241056

So I think the key is having Arcane Trickster. Is it possible to build an unarmored gish with Arcane Trickster/Rogue while maintaining at least CL 28?

[Storm Munin]

Yes, your suggested classes should do well together.
CL30 is possible but at the price of BAB.
However BAB20 is playable even in the epics.

[RamenKing]

Yes, your suggested classes should do well together.
CL30 is possible but at the price of BAB.
However BAB20 is playable even in the epics.

Interesting, and good to know about the BAB. I suppose Wiz/EK/AT/Rog could be an alternate option with CL 30 but less skillpoints.

[RamenKing]

Here's a build from BGTSCC's Deathgrowl. http://nwn2db.com/build/?254004

I tailored it a bit to suit my preferences but think I kept most of the important elements in the build.

Perks:

-CL 28
-Unarmored Gish
-Thaumaturge mostly for the RP
-SF and GSF: Conjuration to help with Teleport DC (can't hop if the spell occasionally fails)
-I was able to fit in Craft Wand and later, Wondrous items.
-Epic Gate for the RP
-Lots of skill points, allowing some great investments into Lore: Arcana and Lore: Planes
-Some investment in Search (for "portal seeking")
-Combat Insight for additional damage
-Its an Elf

Cons:
-Evasion
-CL 28
-Shadowdancer would have been lovely for Plane of Shadow RP.
-Low DC but never meant to be a DC mage

A question: Is the BAB/AB and AC sufficient for Epic levels? With ICE, I think the AC will be decent. Please assist if these are calculated incorrectly:

BAB 22 + 10 (dex w/Cats) + 4 GH + 5 (GMW) + 1 Epic Prowess = 42

10 + 3 (tumble) + 1 (Swash Dodge) + 6 (IMA) + 10 (dex) + 6 (ICE) + 5 (Shadowshield) + 4 (dodge boots) + 4 (deflection) = 49 + 4 (Shield) = 53

[RamenKing]

Anyone know what AB is required in the higher levels? Just curious if 42 is enough.

[Valefort]

It's low but enough, the build is fine overall but your damage is low : ~ 15-20 per hit, bit more depending on the weapon's properties. Against a crit immune with some DR your damage will be near 0 as insightful strike damage is negated.

I would consider dropping 4 DEX to get +4 INT, you'll lose 2 AB and 2 AC, something I think you can live without, but gain 4 damage and a few spell slots (lvl 6&7 mainly, see there). Maybe drop ICE to get a weapon focus.

[RamenKing]

It's low but enough, the build is fine overall but your damage is low : ~ 15-20 per hit, bit more depending on the weapon's properties. Against a crit immune with some DR your damage will be near 0 as insightful strike damage is negated.

I would consider dropping 4 DEX to get +4 INT, you'll lose 2 AB and 2 AC, something I think you can live without, but gain 4 damage and a few spell slots (lvl 6&7 mainly, see there). Maybe drop ICE to get a weapon focus.

Thank you, Valefort!

Those are great points concerning the damage. I have heard there were lots of those mobs on the server.

[RamenKing]

It's low but enough, the build is fine overall but your damage is low : ~ 15-20 per hit, bit more depending on the weapon's properties. Against a crit immune with some DR your damage will be near 0 as insightful strike damage is negated.

I would consider dropping 4 DEX to get +4 INT, you'll lose 2 AB and 2 AC, something I think you can live without, but gain 4 damage and a few spell slots (lvl 6&7 mainly, see there). Maybe drop ICE to get a weapon focus.

Thank you, Valefort!

Those are great points concerning the damage. I have heard there were lots of those mobs on the server.

Funny enough, Deathgrowl also had a similiar INT build

http://nwn2db.com/build/?212569