Gondsman; Help me make him survive things.

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Re: Gondsman; Help me make him survive things.

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Planehopper wrote:
ragnarok1983 wrote:It does not appear that weapons with shield bonus (like the rapier) worked with the Gondsman.
The great axe i have works. I would wager that the rapier you tried it with may have had the appearance changed, which breaks the script.
I bought Paws' halberd from the auction house (someone resold it! Woot!) which had the partially working script. (+1 shield AC). I will test it again tonight. I didn't see the script fire for the Gondsman last time though. The +3 +4 weapons did.

Have any other start increasing weapons been tested? I can't equip a +STR warmace to test (for some reason he can't reliably equip warmaces... Strange).
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I keep meaning to try +STR weapons out. I have a few on-hit effect weapons I considered testing as well.

Let me know if you try anything along those lines, and I will do the same.

I am pretty sure Steve is right though, I think the axe that I currently have on Wiz's gondsmen is Deflection AC, not the Shield AC script.
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Doesn't the Gondsman get + 5 natural armor from the outset?

Or is it that BGTSCC's custom Techsmith of Gond PrC, does not follow the PnP version?

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Planehopper wrote:I keep meaning to try +STR weapons out. I have a few on-hit effect weapons I considered testing as well.

Let me know if you try anything along those lines, and I will do the same.

I am pretty sure Steve is right though, I think the axe that I currently have on Wiz's gondsmen is Deflection AC, not the Shield AC script.
Yeah, the deflection should work. +x weapons work. Elemental damage works.

Due to the nature of the shield ac script, I doubt that will work and it did not appear to work when I tried it on mine.
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I can manage deflection fine as a divine caster, and that is the only kind of armor you can get on a weapon.

I'd like to point out that after spending the money on a Bloodletter, I can point out that a weapon with a vampiric enchant does NOTHING at all for the gondsman. He doesn't heal with the strikes.

And yes, He is great pre-epic, but useless on epic levels without UMD buff combo. If you can UMD him up, he can take some hits, but that is not the case for most of us.

The class is great RP, and I love playing my techsmith for that reason, but sadly, yes, mechanically, it's not so great.
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I tried to build something that might work even without other party members - at least until the gondsman gets dispelled. The techsmith is a decent melee cleric as well, though, and its divine spells are undispellable.

http://nwn2db.com/build/?245795

I've never played a techsmith: can you unsummon the gondsman when it becomes endangered? What happens if it gets destroyed? Can you just resummon it after resting?
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If it gets smooshed you have to pick up the scraps then make them into a new one. :p
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If I were using a gondsman as a puppet to kill things for me, I'd buff the bejebus out of him and then probably slap him with a Shield Other.

While I take a Con-based route and the regen feats myself.
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Slunko wrote:And he is typed as a construct, but can be healed with healing spells and effects.
Bard song Regeneration, also does not work to heal a Gondsman
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Slunko wrote:Yes. It seems i really should have gotten UMD and a whole lot of wands. Sadly I neither have wands, umd or a wizard buddy.

Thank you for the math of it, but I Was hoping someone could point out anything that I was missing.

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Maybe its possible to get damage reduction and regen to this thing with upgrade points? As it most probably is crit immune, getting high DR would make it great tank regardless of AC.
Also, does Regeneration spell work on it? For I think its most great divine spell at all for grinding.
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Gondsman breath weapon is a terrible idea, I've rarely seen it used on a foe target within range and when it does work it is always on a friendly party member...
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