Practiced Sneak Attacker

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Practiced Sneak Attacker

Type of feat: General
Prerequisite: 1d6 Sneak Attack
Required for: None
Specifics: Your sneak attack damage progression increases by +4 levels. This can't increase your sneak attack progression beyond your HD. However, even if you can't benefit from the full bonus immediately, if you later gain none sneak attack-level HD you may be able to apply the rest of the bonus.
For example, a human 5th-level rogue/3rd-level fighter who selects this feat would increase his sneak attack progression level from 5th to 8th (since Rogue+Fighter has a 8 HD). If he later gained a fighter level, he would gain the remainder of the bonus and his sneak attack progression level would become 9th (since Rogue+Fighter now has 9 HD).
Use: Automatic

*Shamelessly copies Akroma's style*

[Mallore]

Lol. Nice copy


While the wording is wonky. I would make the pre req atleast 6d6. So that you don't go from 2d6 sneak to 4d6 sneak for just dipping rogue.

Let the real rogues have the feat.

[Darkcloud777]

My trickster would love this

[Valefort]

That one seems feasible.

Now even if it's feasible I can't see why it's needed at all, this would be a must pick for any rogue based build, everyone would RCR for free SA dices. It's a straight power up that sounds completely uneeded, rogues might have problems but damage ain't one.

[Blackman D]

not to mention you would have to leave out every class that grants so much as 1d6 sneak attack from the benefit, which is a lot of other classes

so only typical mixes that would even gain from it are like SD, fighter and cleric...

[Storm Munin]

Actually given the 6d6 SA break even, the truly beneficial classes would be full caster progression wizards in shapes such as rog3/AT10 or Rog3/AT10/DSM10/.
Along with swashbuckler/duelist with rogue dips etc.
Clerical rogues are stuck at 5d6 SA (wizards 7d6+ SA) if they want full caster progression.

I note that this feat, not at all aimed at pure rogues, would have twice the impact of the epic feat: improved sneak dice.


On the pure rogue tester toon I am steadily advancing with I am looking at 18d6 SA at lv30. Even if we allowed this feat for pure rogues and allow multiple takes of the feat it would in her case mean going from 18d6 to 21d6.
The result being an increased average damage of 10.5 per hit, at that point an added 10.5 per hit really does not matter.

If we truly want rogues to prosper more, give them x2 multiplier on the SA damage on a crit.
Yes, it would benefit rogue dippers as well.

/M

Edited for elaboration.

[Theodore01]

Actually given the 6d6 SA break even, the truly beneficial classes would be full caster progression wizards in shapes such as rog3/AT10 or Rog3/AT10/DSM10/.

All for it.

yeh, even more power to the casters

[Blackman D]

If we truly want rogues to prosper more, give them x2 multiplier on the SA damage on a crit.

problem with that is sneak attack is already a crit hit, tho probably flagged as "extra damage" which is basically the same thing

letting sneaks crit would kinda be insane

[Mallore]

Its a shame that any idea benfits dipping...

Question.

I recall a feat once, but I dont think it was in 3.5 that made your sneak dice d8 instead of d6.

Be a neat feat at say rogue 10 =P or 5d6 dice. though burning a ready needed thing (feat slots) would be terrible.

Because you dont have feats left to really spend on the fun stuff you might need for Role-play, such as Skill Focus, or it be nice to take Iron Will or something to make up for those terrible saves.

Then again this mostly came up because of Practiced Spell Caster... which rewards for leaving your class....

[Blackman D]

in most cases of PSC one doesnt actually leave their base class tho as most all caster PrCs give spellcasting progression as if they were leveling in that class and you just lose out on any actual base class determined bonuses, in which case only really affects wizard and cleric more, but few caster PrCs are actually full progression and thats what the feat helps with, a 6/10 progression PrC becomes 10/10 for purpose of dispels and DCs

no one else really has anything with that kind of synergy that a practiced feat would be worth it

not to mention there are really only two types of progressions, caster and turning, a practiced turner feat would be helpful for paladins and blackguards that cant otherwise hit max level, and then for clerics that take levels in a class that has no turn progression

[Mallore]

Question.


Flank is not triggering sneak attack. It should. ((Pg 50)) As long as your flanking a creature you get sneak attack, regardless if it had been denied Dex. It is Denied Dex OR Flanked.

If the creature is facing you, you still get the flank bonus to attack.

If the creature is facing you, and your a rogue, you get sneak attack if it is flanked.

Currently you do not get flanking bonus if the monster is facing you.

If two rogues are fighting a monster, and they are flanking the monster, they both get sneak attack. They both get +2 to hit the monster as well.

[Mallore]

in most cases of PSC one doesnt actually leave their base class tho as most all caster PrCs give spellcasting progression as if they were leveling in that class and you just lose out on any actual base class determined bonuses, in which case only really affects wizard and cleric more, but few caster PrCs are actually full progression and thats what the feat helps with, a 6/10 progression PrC becomes 10/10 for purpose of dispels and DCs

no one else really has anything with that kind of synergy that a practiced feat would be worth it

not to mention there are really only two types of progressions, caster and turning, a practiced turner feat would be helpful for paladins and blackguards that cant otherwise hit max level, and then for clerics that take levels in a class that has no turn progression

I understand.. I still do not know why we allow the feat. "so they can have max spell progression" well if you want that, take PrC's that grant that. Not SD for example =P

[Blackman D]

flanking does work however uncanny dodge has since been fixed, so it matters a bit on who you are actually flanking, and if you are only flanking from the side you are unlikely to get sneaks on anything since now most require that you are directly behind them - but if you are trying to flank any mob with uncanny dodge then you can fully expect it to not work

and again, there are actual caster PrCs that give progression but not full, like stormlord for example, and few added were full progression because of a bug with PSC (which has been fixed)

but it was because of the dispel changes, that made it easier if you are not full caster level to be stripped, is why they were all changed to be at least 6/10 so they can still hit 30 CL for only having caster classes, and then of course someone dipping in a non caster class up to 4 levels will still have it as well