Bigby's

[Coen]

Well... the bigby's doesn't work at all... they work for 1 round and then they are useless. Bigby Clenched Fist should deal dmg every round when it passes Attack Roll, it only works for one round, after that it always rolls 0 and has +0 ab so there is no chance it hits. Same with grasping hand, first round then useless. I checked it multiple time on one target and multiple targets.

[Darkcloud777]

yeah, a worthless spell now taking up slots. I wish they would bring back the old script. as a mage i have zero way of immobilizing an opponent. what king of wizard cannot slam a fighter against the wall with magic? Ill tell you....... none

[Darkcloud777]

worse still. a sneaker can slip right out of it by going into stealth.

Worthless............ i get more use out of my rune of light now. at least it makes player pause by the unexpected light.

[Coen]

well... u're a wizard, u can switch the spell... as a sorc I'm kinda... hmm ____ed

[Darkcloud777]

Condolences

[Calodan]

I think the Escape Artist Skill is still under construction and thus the OLD SCRIPT for Bigby's is not on the table to be used since it is being scripted and worked to be able to be slipped by the Escape Artist skill. So basically IMO it is broken until the Escape Artist skill can be made to work properly and it can work properly as well. So the current script is a work in progress with no intention to go back to the OP unable to be bypassed I WIN SPELL. This is of course in favor of balance between classes a bit more. As it was the only way to avoid that was to go into Sanctuary and that left only one style of build able to defeat the spell in divines. Not exactly a good thing IMHO. While I loathe that you can not use this spell properly in PvE currently it is teaching you arcanes to use the rest of your spell book now instead of the usual Bigby + IGMS FTW............

[Coen]

well... strongly disagreed. Clenched fist still needs to make attack rolls with the old mechanics and stun works when u fail ur fort save. Just like u would say time to remove stunning fist from monk. Cuz 1 skill win...

[Darkcloud777]

i strongly disagree as well. It should be at least somewhat effective and sneakers should not be able to just slip out of the spell. you are after all being held by a magical hand. the pathetic dc is just that......Pathetic. the attack rolls should work as well. The hand should be able to attack a 2nd target if the user wishes it. at it is right now I stand by my first assertion that a cantrip rune of light is more effective in making a player or a creature pause. Its so sad.

[Calodan]

I am not saying it should not be effective. My bad for not clarifying. In the mean time you get to learn more of your spell book and use it.

[Face]

In the mean time all the sorcs with the spell got shafted cous they got no spell book to use....
Fact is that its broken so badly its silly and dont let me start on the epic bug when a mob casts a bigby on you.

[Calodan]

Not saying it is fine again. I dealt with Epic Mass Heal being broken over a year. I dealt with it being broken during the Undead war when it was important to Kory since he uses a spear and spear are worthless against undead. It sucks that they have a wasted spell slot but there are means around it for now. Epic Mass Heal was never reverted for the multitudes of divines using it then I do not see why any other class would be any more special than the other. It is simply broken right now and will be until the scripting can be figured out which I am sure they are working as hard as they can on it. All I am saying is best to move on for now and remind them it is broken every couple of months on the bugs thread and learn other ways to get around it being broken right now. For the record Epic Mass Heal was a wasted Epic Feat for many for over a year. It sucks I know learn your build and use it to its full potential.

[Face]

Maybe give sorc's with the a spell from the bigby line a new spell from the DM's then or just a nice full rcr

[Calodan]

That is not going to happen I think you are missing the point here. Sorcerers are not any more special than Divines and we were not given any RCR for the Mass Heal being broken the RCR period was for a massive change that encompassed more than a single spell. So learn your spell book until then. Or play your alts.......

[Valefort]

Just wait a bit.

[Coen]

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