dms that ate unwilling to let groups be involved

[pimpjwp]

This is the start of a lost of the staff that have refused and flat out hate in certain groups . So far one group has been forced out of three major mega plots and now a dm only ud group the beaucracy. So far the dm that have done this are dialetic,theopanoes ,golem and now dm ditto players be warned that anything they say is most likely not the truth and theses staff refuse to work with the players . I have pms and pics of all of it pm me I'll show you we are also on disquis live if you want to see

[ValerieJean]

I presume this is about the Bureaucracy of Sshamath, I believe this is spurred on being denied to completely take it over? I think the intent by the DMs is to allow others a chance to be apart of it, I would not think those of you who hold spots already are having it ripped from underneath?

[Akroma666]

Going to go ahead and lock this now for DM approval to unlock

[Maecius]

After discussion, the DMs have asked that I unlock this thread. While they appreciate the mod team's stepping it, they feel it's the player base's right to criticize their actions. In this case, the actions in question have been examined and there is no indication that foul play was had here. It was a misunderstanding about who was welcome in the "Bureaucracy of Sshamath" forum group -- everyone who is loyal to the Conclave of Sshamath, and plays a character of said city that is willing to work on its behalf, is welcome there.

[7threalm]

guys the ud is small enough, we shoudn't be fighting ooc, it makes me sad...

[kkrazlite]

Im sure if you just sat down and discussed it with the DM's in charge they would stir some stuff up for you to get you into the fun. . . Even if it comes with obsticals and such everyone here on this server can pretty much be apart of anything as long as they let the DM's know and your RP fits.

[BigJ]

@Pimpjwp: I apologise now if I fail to express myself in the way I intended, both neutral and to help. This medium though is sometimes tricky. I also cannot make this short.

I have RP'd / hunted with a few of your PC's in the UD and always fount them colourful and interesting (especially the dress sence ). That said, if I were to highlight a weakness of yours (we all have them) it is a tendency to meta-game sometimes, unintentionally I am sure.

Some of the IG comments you make I just interpret as IC arrogance RP, we are are drow after all and I RP arrogance myself sometimes. However 'claiming' Rockrun when it first appeared and attempting through forum posts to take over the 'Bureaucracy' (The IG player council) with conclave support (The IG NPC council) are types of meta gaming that will rub others the wrong way, players and DM's alike.

It is something you can learn from hopefully, reflect on it for a moment rather than respond and do not take it personally. Learning from mistakes is sometimes the best way to make progress after all.

I myself have made quite a few mistakes because my background is fantasy gaming/films (Bioware games mostly), I never played PnP. So sometimes I miss RP opportunities as I do not push my RP ideas forward IG, it just happens in my head. Also I sometimes miss the opportunities others present and need an OOC nudge.

But I learnt. My attempts at RP with NWN2 PW's are certainly better than my NWN1 days, when I was really raw and struggled to see past the mechanics and the need for co-operation.

Make a mistake, learn from it, come back stronger.

If after reading all this you feel attacked in some way then again I apologise for my lack of ability to express my intent. But hopefully instead you'll realise you did make a mistake, but that is all it was, a mistake, we all make them.

Learn, adapt, some back stronger fella. We need players in the UD not OOC conflict after all (IG conflict is fine of course )

BigJ

(PS. I do hope posting this wasn't another of my mistakes, I did hover over the submit button a while).

[hksturbo]

A few of us have been asking pimp to meta game take over the bueacarcy after our group has been cut out of two major dm plot lines . We watched him try to get our group as a member of the bueacarcy was denied, two dms told us talk to Blackman he told us talk to dms months went by others were taken as memebers we were not . Rockrun we are the only group that rps on a regular basis there at least on the forums I belive our leader is the only one that's posted there since it was put in . I myself had no clue he would go off so bad on some of you we should have known he's a bit of a hot head but many of us asked him to do this because of our unfair treatment and being ignored as one of the larger factions around by the staff with major plot lines .Please come back to us pimp we need ya and I've tried to reach you with pms and text

[DM Pun Pun]

A few of us have been asking pimp to meta game take over the bueacarcy after our group has been cut out of two major dm plot lines .

You do realize you asked him to break the server rules on your behalf. What made you think this course of action was going to work?

[hksturbo]

We asked the staff to be apart of things many of us witnessed pimp asking dms for assistance in major plot things we were cut out of it so many of us quit the forums . Our group was told we can participate in the bg invasion but not under coven name. The being cut out of coven invasion guild house major plot line made a few of us mad . Being again cut out during the ooze campaign made more of us mad . Being denied as part of the sshamath group pushed many of us over the edge so we asked our leader to ask questions in public and address this . The post is still in our coven forum of the coven invasion were we were told by staff after we move your guild house you'll be apart of the major plot line well let you know the plot line ended with not one of us being invited or apart of it, same thing happened with the ooze campaign and now the group in ssshamth. Many of us were sick and tired of being left out ignored when asking properly to be apart of things . So we asked our leader if the staff won't support evil rp from anyone that's not favored do it without them . Yes this means we're the bad guys whatever just look in the forums and you can see a clear pattern of us being passed by when important things are going on even though we have in most cases twice the memebers of other guilds ,who receive a ton of attention . We have watched dm mk3 attack our memebers in the nexus and tell us your group don't belong here on bg the pics are still on our discuss channel along with many of our guild being ooc attacked from other dm and groups zhents .So yes after all this myself and a few other may have pushed our leader to far asking him to make things right . Some one has to step in and help making it seem like our leader is just ranting when the stuff he is upset about is actually going on and he was asked to bring it to light from many of us . YOU can see in the leaving evil to dms when I say alot are being killed or chased off from fai I'm told from someone who doesn't even know me( Thids) ya that never happens and your making things up so I give examples . From this point on all groups need to be treated the same from the staff or this kind of problem will continue with whatever new groups pop up and old ones .

[The Whistler]

lmao, pimpjwp creating an alt account to heap praise on himself. Can't tell if it's funny or pathetic

[hksturbo]

I'm his nephew I see why he don't use the forums anymore .

[The Whistler]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[pimpjwp]

whistler not sure qwhat your obsession with me is and now my nephew but you have been asked multiple times to stop by myself . PLease do not refer to me or my real life family in any way at all . This is the 3rd time you have been asked please stop we want nothing to do with you so stop contacting or joing our post thank you very much . Messing with my real life family will get your legs broken in real life escpecialy seeing how my nephew is only 17 yers old bud .

[Endelyon]

I'm going to go ahead and lock this.