AC issues: two weapon feat

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Vartigy
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AC issues: two weapon feat

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Hi, I've just noticed something weird happening with my dual wield toon.

11 Phantom
5 SDancer.

Dual wield feats. Two Weap Fght, Two Weap Def, and both Improved feats.
Wielding light weapons (sickle and short sword).

Clothing, no armour.

AC starts out at 39 unarmed.
Equip both weapons, AC spikes temporarily to 41 then drops back to 36 and stays there.
There are times where its worse than that, AC somehow gets stuck on 34, spikes to 36 and stays there when unarmed too!
Some big differences going on.
I think it has to do with Ninja Wisdom bonus, getting calculated funny, alongside the Ninja AC bonus.

But I'm no expert. Just thought I'd bring it up here and see if anyone has any ideas.
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chad878262
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Re: AC issues: two weapon feat

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The character sheet is not always truthful. Have you validated your AC via the Combat Log? You can do this by going back after a battle and taking screenshots showing hits that should be misses, for instance showing the enemy roll a 17 + 20=37 Hit! would show that your character sheet with AC of 34 or 36 is accurate, while the same showing you a miss would show that your AC is actually higher than what is on the sheet. Really helps when an enemy has a hit roll that is exactly one below what your AC should be (so in this case, a modified to hit roll of 40) which will show if that roll is hitting or missing.

Also, you should probably provide a screenshot of all your items and the math showing how you come up with AC 41 so that it is known what the total AC should be from a testing perspective.
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Vartigy
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Re: AC issues: two weapon feat

Unread post by Vartigy »

Yeh the math will be hard, with some of the feats and bonuses in combat, which as you say, is not displayed accurately ont he character sheet.

The issue I see is that in the combat chat, the Ninja AC bonus and Ninja Wis Bonus goes through a fit each time i equip any item. Sometimes it does a couple yellow line writing of calcs. Others its half a dozen or more calcs.
And each time it'll spit out a differently displayed AC on the character sheet.

I'll pay more attention to combat log AB/AC checks with pve and see if it proves one way or another.
Cheers.
chad878262
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Re: AC issues: two weapon feat

Unread post by chad878262 »

The math should not be too hard, just start at AC 10 + Feats + DEX + WIS + all of your various protections (shield, armor, deflection, natural, dodge) + any other modifiers you're using. So for example, we know you have ITWD, +7 DEX and +4 WIS so it might look something like:

10 +2 (ITWD) +7 (DEX) +4 (WIS) +16 (Armor,Defl,nat, dodge @ +4 each) = 39. If you have Luck of Hero's that brings to 40 and maybe haste to 41? Or maybe you are using a shield potion/wand, but only have +3 dodge/defl/nat... I don't know, but this is how you would come up with what your AC should be. Or maybe Phantom gets an AC bonus (I don't really recall), but you get the idea. Figuring up what the AC should be is an important part of understanding which AC calculation is accurate, rather than just assuming it should always be 41. It would also help Endelyon (who did the dev work to implement the class) troubleshoot where the issue might lie if she has more information about where the calculations are becoming inconsistent.
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