fighter 30?

[aaron22]

how viable would a fighter 30 be? seems silly to ask. i dont think it would be. started making a few and there really isnt much you can do. its like there is too many feats LOL. but nothing that makes it worthwhile.

[Valefort]

Totally viable, just pick AC feats and get good gear. LoH, Weapon supremacy, armor skin, IPA, ICE, IKD, Steadfast, armor skin, full STR.

[Blackman D]

you would probably have to do two weapon fighting with two different weapons to use up all the feats fighter gets if you go 30 and even then idk you could probably make it work

[Kiran]

Can get Imp disarm, knockdown and shield bash etc, and if you go orc for more str.. hm.. I am going to try and build something 1 sec!

[Kiran]

http://nwn2db.com/build/?261199

My attempt.

[chad878262]

It is not so much that Fighter 30 is not viable... It is just that at some point all those feats are simply not as powerful as adding in other classes such as Dwarven Defender (duh!), FB, Weapon Master, Warrior of Darkness/Anointed Knight, BlackGuard, or any other myriad of combinations. A case can be made for taking Fighter to 18, but really there are probably better combinations that stop at 12 or 14. The thing that Fighter 30 brings is NOT going to be power, but instead will be versatility. You could have IPA and ICE for extra damage or extra AC as needed, but you can't use both at the same time. You could take Weapon Focus/Specialization in a slashing and in a blunt weapon to switch out as the situation calls for if you want, but assuming you are a sword n' board or two hander you can't use both weapons at the same time. It's kind of like Ranger builds that take the archery path, but still take the TWF feats. More versatile, but less powerful at each thing. Would the PC be better off either focusing on damage and getting other PRC's for defense (or even more offense)? Yep, but again, the thing here is that you can switch things up as needed and act as a tank, a damage dealer or a mix as the situation calls for. I would argue that such a build would be really nice in a full party as the versatility would allow for a lot of options for the arcane and divine spell casters to save some buffing spell slots and take control/damage/save or x spells instead.

However, in regards to 'solo-ability' I would say it is relatively on the lower end by sticking with Fighter for all 30 levels.

[AC81]

Fighter 30 allows you to really pump strength, so you probably should focus on improved knockdown and shield slam. It'd do alright but it has a lot of weaknesses.

[NegInfinity]

how viable would a fighter 30 be? seems silly to ask. i dont think it would be. started making a few and there really isnt much you can do. its like there is too many feats LOL. but nothing that makes it worthwhile.

It is very viable. I have non-magical fighter 29 with zero umd. Damage output ended up surprisingly high.

The problem is that huge amount of feats make it very hard to control. It is pretty much like flying a helicopter. Shield on/Shield off, disarm, knockdown, expertise, power attack, taunt, parry, then there are at least 5 combat manuevers. Also, horrible will save.

Basically, it requires paying a lot of attention to the situation, and if non-magical characters aren't your thing, don't bother.

Two of those characters can be quite scary, and can knockdown into oblivion a lot of things.

[aaron22]

here is probably the best thing i could come up with. even a dip in monk or rogue would greatly improve this build.

http://nwn2db.com/build/?261204

[Storm Munin]

A friend in the server past used to kill the Pitfiend and Balor alone with a CON based duergar fighter30 build with UMD13. He usually managed to do well in the Netherese as well.
Low damage would mean 45 per hit.

I do not see it as much harder to do now with the same build.

/M

[NegInfinity]

here is probably the best thing i could come up with. even a dip in monk or rogue would greatly improve this build.

http://nwn2db.com/build/?261204

IMO, for DR based character a barbarian 30 will be a better choice, because barbarian DR stack with epic damage reduction, and con affects rage duration.

For a fighter 30 a much more attractive idea would be to truly max one of the stats - preferably one dealing with AB and/or damage. Upping strength increases both AB and damage bonus, however unlike epic specialization, damage bonus from strength is multiplied by 1.5 when you're wielding a weapon two-handed. There are also options like making a sling user with a shield. A shield dexer in general should have no problem reaching around 55 AC unbuffed.

For a CON based character a better idea could be to start with 20 constitution, attempt to max it out, then grab damage resistance feats AND fast healing feats 1-3.

Your character misses that opportunity.

[aaron22]

yes.. with a fighter only build.. there really isnt anything that says do "this" to make "this" work optimally. or do "this" because you have "this" to take care of "that". i base my builds on surviving then killing. i am not a super clever builder, so i will certainly miss a bunch of openings to balance surviving and killing ideally. i am also limited by what is available for that slot given the perimeters in feat selection. it really has to be planned out with a lot of care. while i do not think i will ever roll a F30, i wanted to see some of the possibilities that some of you could come up with.

[chad878262]

Here is an example focused fighter 30 build. Optimized for using a belt that is relatively inexpensive and gives +3 STR and CON. It's only low save is reflex (least dangerous) and will have solid AC and AB with decent damage via IPA and all the weapon feats. Not dependent on MFP it can roll with regular Full Plate for max AC and access to +4 Armor. UMD for when necessary, IKD, Steadfast, etc. The Great STR feats are alternated in epics while fighter bonus feats are spent on other stuff (I don't think you can take Great STR as fighter bonus feats). Oddly enough, I didn't find nearly as many 'junk' picks as I thought and being able to take epic will really helps the Fighters survivability. Able learner allows for +3 saves vs. spells (Spellcraft) +1 AC (Tumble), Appraise for higher sell prices/lower cost to buy from vendors, heal for kits, UMD and spot for immunity to feint (not high enough to be a true spotter). All in all I have to say there is nothing wrong at all with such a build. Gives up some of the damage from FB/WM for better defenses. Not a bad melee build at all.

http://nwn2db.com/build/?261226

[aaron22]

hard to not feel like imp crit could not be fit in on that build. seems like a miss? especially considering you choosing scimitar. if not, explain. moving to weapon mastery is a good route though. utilizing the AC boosting from HAO instead of Epic DR's. nice build chad

[chad878262]

hard to not feel like imp crit could not be fit in on that build. seems like a miss? especially considering you choosing scimitar. if not, explain. moving to weapon mastery is a good route though. utilizing the AC boosting from HAO instead of Epic DR's. nice build chad

Keen wands are cheap. Higher will saves are better. What feat would you replace?