Orc Class

[aaron22]

You forgot the option in the poll which states "no orc specific prc".

please... by all means explain how that is helpful to the server and the player base that supports said server.

the floor is your's

[thids]

Does not take development time from the developers, and they can focus on something that actually contributes to the server.

Furthermore, Grey Orcs do not belong in the server setting, and encouraging them to be played by pandering to them by adding orc specific PRC's is ludicrous. Players were literally told to consider Grey Orcs as if "someone from above took a shit all over the cloakwood and from that shit Grey Orcs came about". On top of that, this thread comes from the position of "ELVES HAVE X NUMBER OF PRC'S, ORCS DESERVE ONE TOO!". I ask you why? What have orcs evercontributed to this server? They were always a shortlived comic relief group, or a shortlived group whose RP consisted of "RUN OR I HOSTILE U". Nothing more than that.

Now you explain to me, please, how does supporting Grey Orc race RP, considering its history and the region where we roleplay, contribute to this server. The floor is yours.

[mrm3ntalist]

There is no need for polls or anything else. Make a suggestion about a PRC you like and think that players would be interested in playing. Thats all it takes.

[aaron22]

how can darkhold contribute to the server more than orcs can. orcs have been a part of the biggest plot lines in the past few years. do you think that lies in a vacuum. the actions of the NPC orcs have and continue to effect the PC orcs. i will not speak for the dm team here, but i believe that if we had a few more players that are orc. the effects of the PC orcs could and would have an effect on the NPC orcs. so i ask for some help in getting some players and propose a way to the community. i am willing to put in the time and effort. because i honestly feel there are some (not all) that would enjoy the orc RP. no matter what side of the conflict you lie.

well if we took every rarely played faction and said they should have nothing.. maybe we should take away darkhold.. how many people are affiliated to you that are active? no more DM support.. no more base to operate. oh wait yea.. you're lore.. so are orcs.. any region in faerun falls into orc territory.. maybe all the time and support should go to only the most active factions... so DA candlekeep PC and maybe a couple others should get it all. sorry paladin orders you cant keep more than 5 active at a time and sorry thayans... same issue.. the time is better spent on more populated groups.. i dont like that.

but we are grey orcs.. they dont belong.. orc is fine but grey orc doesnt. well you are right. greys are a stretch.. but i and many others before me play our orcs to the generic. Orc.. and we have done this in front of DM's. they do not seem to mind it being played this way. in my mind and nearly everyone else, grey is too specific. it would be like giving only one human race of tetherian. you can select tetherian human or no human at all. makes sense right?

how about instead of (#2)ing all over the server like you want to, lets make more opportunities for players, that believe it or not, are different than YOU. that want something other than YOU do from the server. lets give opportunities to many aspects and let the server evolve. instead of squeezing it to collapse upon itself in devolution.

I started this because I was prompted to do so by a QC coordinator. not in a "put my foot down now" manner. i bring it up from time to time, because i think it would HELP the server. not because i want my way or anything to that nature.

[aaron22]

There is no need for polls or anything else. Make a suggestion about a PRC you like and think that players would be interested in playing. Thats all it takes.

the poll was to get an impression from the base without relying upon comments that some people will not participate in.

[mrm3ntalist]

There is no need for polls or anything else. Make a suggestion about a PRC you like and think that players would be interested in playing. Thats all it takes.

the poll was to get an impression from the base without relying upon comments that some people will not participate in.

Ye, whatever it is you like. However with such polls, there can always be posts like thids, which wont help what you are trying to do.

As far as Grey Orcs go, they are in game, much RP happened in the past and like any other race they can have their PRC.

[aaron22]

There is no need for polls or anything else. Make a suggestion about a PRC you like and think that players would be interested in playing. Thats all it takes.

the poll was to get an impression from the base without relying upon comments that some people will not participate in.

Ye, whatever it is you like. However with such polls, there can always be posts like thids, which wont help what you are trying to do.

As far as Grey Orcs go, they are in game, much RP happened in the past and like any other race they can have their PRC.

very encouraging words

[thids]

how can darkhold contribute to the server more than orcs can. orcs have been a part of the biggest plot lines in the past few years. do you think that lies in a vacuum. the actions of the NPC orcs have and continue to effect the PC orcs. i will not speak for the dm team here, but i believe that if we had a few more players that are orc. the effects of the PC orcs could and would have an effect on the NPC orcs. so i ask for some help in getting some players and propose a way to the community. i am willing to put in the time and effort. because i honestly feel there are some (not all) that would enjoy the orc RP. no matter what side of the conflict you lie.

well if we took every rarely played faction and said they should have nothing.. maybe we should take away darkhold.. how many people are affiliated to you that are active? no more DM support.. no more base to operate. oh wait yea.. you're lore.. so are orcs.. any region in faerun falls into orc territory.. maybe all the time and support should go to only the most active factions... so DA candlekeep PC and maybe a couple others should get it all. sorry paladin orders you cant keep more than 5 active at a time and sorry thayans... same issue.. the time is better spent on more populated groups.. i dont like that.

but we are grey orcs.. they dont belong.. orc is fine but grey orc doesnt. well you are right. greys are a stretch.. but i and many others before me play our orcs to the generic. Orc.. and we have done this in front of DM's. they do not seem to mind it being played this way. in my mind and nearly everyone else, grey is too specific. it would be like giving only one human race of tetherian. you can select tetherian human or no human at all. makes sense right?

how about instead of (#2)ing all over the server like you want to, lets make more opportunities for players, that believe it or not, are different than YOU. that want something other than YOU do from the server. lets give opportunities to many aspects and let the server evolve. instead of squeezing it to collapse upon itself in devolution.

I started this because I was prompted to do so by a QC coordinator. not in a "put my foot down now" manner. i bring it up from time to time, because i think it would HELP the server. not because i want my way or anything to that nature.

Nice strawman there, this is not a thread about Darkhold or the Zhentarim or Candlekeep or DA nor is anyone asking anything for those factions. Thanks for proving my point though, you have no argument whatsoever.

[aaron22]

wait... what?

Nice strawman there, this is not a thread about Darkhold or the Zhentarim or Candlekeep or DA nor is anyone asking anything for those factions. Thanks for proving my point though, you have no argument whatsoever.

this was your response? here were your points...

Does not take development time from the developers, and they can focus on something that actually contributes to the server.

i answered this by dialing in on your use of "actually contributes to the server" here

how can darkhold contribute to the server more than orcs can. orcs have been a part of the biggest plot lines in the past few years. do you think that lies in a vacuum. the actions of the NPC orcs have and continue to effect the PC orcs. i will not speak for the dm team here, but i believe that if we had a few more players that are orc. the effects of the PC orcs could and would have an effect on the NPC orcs. so i ask for some help in getting some players and propose a way to the community. i am willing to put in the time and effort. because i honestly feel there are some (not all) that would enjoy the orc RP. no matter what side of the conflict you lie.

well if we took every rarely played faction and said they should have nothing.. maybe we should take away darkhold.. how many people are affiliated to you that are active? no more DM support.. no more base to operate. oh wait yea.. you're lore.. so are orcs.. any region in faerun falls into orc territory.. maybe all the time and support should go to only the most active factions... so DA candlekeep PC and maybe a couple others should get it all. sorry paladin orders you cant keep more than 5 active at a time and sorry thayans... same issue.. the time is better spent on more populated groups.. i dont like that.

Furthermore, Grey Orcs do not belong in the server setting, and encouraging them to be played by pandering to them by adding orc specific PRC's is ludicrous. Players were literally told to consider Grey Orcs as if "someone from above took a (#2) all over the cloakwood and from that (#2) Grey Orcs came about". On top of that, this thread comes from the position of "ELVES HAVE X NUMBER OF PRC'S, ORCS DESERVE ONE TOO!". I ask you why? What have orcs evercontributed to this server? They were always a shortlived comic relief group, or a shortlived group whose RP consisted of "RUN OR I HOSTILE U". Nothing more than that.

but we are grey orcs.. they dont belong.. orc is fine but grey orc doesnt. well you are right. greys are a stretch.. but i and many others before me play our orcs to the generic. Orc.. and we have done this in front of DM's. they do not seem to mind it being played this way. in my mind and nearly everyone else, grey is too specific. it would be like giving only one human race of tetherian. you can select tetherian human or no human at all. makes sense right?

Now you explain to me, please, how does supporting Grey Orc race RP, considering its history and the region where we roleplay, contribute to this server. The floor is yours.

and then i answered that here..

how about instead of (#2)ing all over the server like you want to, lets make more opportunities for players, that believe it or not, are different than YOU. that want something other than YOU do from the server. lets give opportunities to many aspects and let the server evolve. instead of squeezing it to collapse upon itself in devolution.

I started this because I was prompted to do so by a QC coordinator. not in a "put my foot down now" manner. i bring it up from time to time, because i think it would HELP the server. not because i want my way or anything to that nature.

yep.. i pretty much had an answer for all those points, so what are you trying to say? did you make your point that all your points have a valid response. or... who knows... enlighten me.

if not.. i understand.. maybe your point is you disapprove of an Orc PrC. acknowledged..
moving on

[thids]

if not.. i understand.. maybe your point is you disapprove of an Orc PrC. acknowledged..
moving on

Then add that option to the poll and restart it, like I asked for in the first place. Instead of using strawman response and throwing a fit by spitting all over factions which put in way more RP than you can even imagine into this server. You are demanding something as if you are somehow entitled to it.

[aaron22]

im not demanding anything.. you are the only one demanding anything

Then add that option to the poll and restart it, like I asked for in the first place.

[mrm3ntalist]

There is no need for another option. This is a poll for those that want a PRC about orcs. To see what kind of a PRC those players want. Those that are not interested in Orc RP, can look elsewhere.

[aaron22]

Instead of using strawman response and throwing a fit by spitting all over factions which put in way more RP than you can even imagine into this server. You are demanding something as if you are somehow entitled to it.

please read this again.

well if we took every rarely played faction and said they should have nothing.. maybe we should take away darkhold.. how many people are affiliated to you that are active? no more DM support.. no more base to operate. oh wait yea.. you're lore.. so are orcs.. any region in faerun falls into orc territory.. maybe all the time and support should go to only the most active factions... so DA candlekeep PC and maybe a couple others should get it all. sorry paladin orders you cant keep more than 5 active at a time and sorry thayans... same issue.. the time is better spent on more populated groups.. i dont like that.

[AlwaysSummer Day]

There is no need for another option. This is a poll for those that want a PRC about orcs. To see what kind of a PRC those players want. Those that are not interested in Orc RP, can look elsewhere.

^ exactly. If you don't want an orc PRC don't vote. Go back one page and make a topic called "remove orcs from the server" with poll options "remove them" and "ban all orc players and remove them" or whatever you want.

[Vogar Eol]

Personally, I'd enjoy some sort of Barbarian type Orc class. That said, I really don't see how having a special Barbarian PrC for Grey Orcs only would give us something we don't have in existing classes and PrCs. I'd be much more behind something like AA that allows Half-Orcs as well. Still, FB does most of what I want already.