Any suggestions for a commando-style character?

[Hrafnar]

I would quite like to play a non-ranger "commando" character including some wilderness stalker levels, so I was wondering if anyone had some ideas about which classes to combine it with to get the feel I'm looking for? I'm not sure I want to be evil so assassin might be out. Basically envisioning a human, non-casting, elite light infantry type - probably dex based dual-wielding with some ranged as back-up .

[chad878262]

Assassin doesn't require evil on this server. Avenger is exactly like assassin, but for good/neutral. That said you could go monk/rogue/wilderness stalker/sd. I would go R16/M4/WS7/SD3. Commando trained in hand to hand combat and kama's can be made like wolverine claws or knives.

[Hrafnar]

Thanks, I'll have a play around!

[Valefort]

http://nwn2db.com/build/?261634

Something like that ?

[chad878262]

http://nwn2db.com/build/?261634

Something like that ?

Nicebuild Valefort, misses 26 BAB by one which is a shame, but those 2 APR wouldn't be worth losing epic dodge. It's always tough chasing that 13th attack to gain an extra sneak in the first flurry.

I would say that WS8 brings 1 AC and 10 grants an extra 1d6 SA. Meanwhile, taking Rogue to 16 and leaving WS at 7 gets the same SA dice and a bonus feat from rogue 16 which will allow you to get Improved Evasion, Defensive Roll and Crippling Strike. This is the only way you can get both Epic Precision and Epic Dodge (and you should get both). Therefore I would recommend leaving WS at 7 and taking Rogue to 16 so that you get at least half your SA dice against crit immunes.

Fighter 4 vs. Monk 4 is a tough call. Monk gets faster movement, WIS to AC and flurry for + 1 APR at -2 attack penalty while fighter gets higher AB and 3 extra feats. The 4th level feat can be taken in Epics which helps since you need to get Epic Precision, Epic Prowess, Expose Weakness, Perfect Two Weapon Fighting and Epic Dodge... Epic Prowess and PTWF are both on the list of Fighter bonus feats so I would probably say overall the F4 build is more helpful, especially since you are likely to dump Wisdom anyway and the +1 attack from flurry won't get you an extra sneak attack.

So in the end I think the best would be to maybe go R16/F4/WS7/SD3 and get all the epic feats I listed.

[Hrafnar]

http://nwn2db.com/build/?261634

Something like that ?

So in the end I think the best would be to maybe go R16/F4/WS7/SD3 and get all the epic feats I listed.

Alright! Awesome, thank you both. From an RP perspective I think I prefer a fighter dip to a monk dip as well, since I imagine the background to be more military than faith-based atm. Cool, I'll play around and then maybe roll up a toon a bit later.

[chad878262]

Just remember race will need to be either human or a race with either Fighter or Rogue as their favored class to avoid XP penalty.

[Valefort]

Chad's idea is undeniably better in the long run, however you will have to delay the "camouflage" feat (ie being able to run while stealthed) if you go rogue 16 in order to get epic precision. But better wait for it than being unable to damage sneak immune creatures for sure.

[Hrafnar]

http://nwn2db.com/build/?261655 - this?

[Valefort]

http://nwn2db.com/build/?261663 this

[Hrafnar]

Great, thanks!

[Moltrazahn]

Only true way to go commando is to rp not wearing underwear! Which..Granted I've not seen anyone try yet.... but... I'm not sure if I'd call it original <. <



*goes back in his box*

[chad878262]

http://nwn2db.com/build/?261663 this

This is almost exactly how I would build it. The only thing I would be on the fence about is TWD/ITWD... Your AB is high enough with HiPS that you could consider going Combat Expertise and Deadly Defense. The result, in comparison to ITWD is +1 AC, +1-4 damage, -3 AB. Your AB may look low and, perhaps in certain situations you might want a wand of heroism or even potions of greater heroism, bless, and/or aid for some bosses. However, I think that will be rare due to HiPS. Your AB without gear is actually a bit higher than many rogues I've seen so you can actually afford the loss of AB and the extra AC/damage will be welcome. One other thing to consider is your DEX. You can't really afford to drop it at the starting point because you need it for PTWF and Epic Dodge. However, right now +4 DEX items are difficult to obtain, so you could consider grabbing a different feat than the Great Dexterity, such as Blinding Speed for 2 or 4 minutes of haste per rest (I know it is 4 uses / day here, but I forget if it is 5 rounds or 10 rounds...)

In any case, there is absolutely nothing wrong with Valefort's build, was just pointing out a couple options you have in there that could be shuffled around.

[Hrafnar]

http://nwn2db.com/build/?261663 this

However, right now +4 DEX items are difficult to obtain, so you could consider grabbing a different feat than the Great Dexterity, such as Blinding Speed for 2 or 4 minutes of haste per rest (I know it is 4 uses / day here, but I forget if it is 5 rounds or 10 rounds...)

In any case, there is absolutely nothing wrong with Valefort's build, was just pointing out a couple options you have in there that could be shuffled around.

Yeah it's 4 uses/day for 10 rounds! I've got it on my ranger build too . Sorry: should I adjust base stats so that I don't need the great dex+1? Or take PTWF and Epic dodge at lvl 28?

[chad878262]

Sorry: should I adjust base stats so that I don't need the great dex+1? Or take PTWF and Epic dodge at lvl 28?

I should have given a better explanation... Here are the changes you would have to make in feats selection:

23: Epic Prowess
24: Improved Evasion
25: Expose Weakness
27: Defensive Roll / Free feat, such as Blinding Speed
29: PTWF / Epic Dodge

It should be noted that if you can get a +4 DEX item you might appreciate the +1 AC and AB from hitting 30 vs. 28 DEX more than the haste 4/day. Also, getting defining feats like PTWF and Epic Dodge earlier will ease leveling (though IMO getting EW earlier in the build is a bigger benefit anyway).

Either option is not a bad way to go, but you need to consider what you want most out of the build AND if the character is going to be around a long while. If you don't plan to RP with the char long term than feats at 29 are almost throw away. However, if you are planning on maintaining the character for years on the server than the end result should be the important part.