RTA with daggerspell mage

[Juramenta]

Hello everyone,

I just saw Chad say in another thread that +EB gloves add to eldritch blast.
After doing a few blasts with and without I could not really see what was different.
I do not understand how blasts works in combination with equipped daggers as a daggerspell mage. Both daggers and gloves are +4.

Everything unequiped:


2nd blast is only with daggers equipped
3rd with both gloves and daggers
4th only with the gloves.



Looking at the image it seems that the +4 daggers give me a +1 to my attack and with only the +4 gloves it gives me +0 to my attack.
Is there a calculation that I am missing?

[Steve]

Weapon Focus Dagger.

[Juramenta]

So the enhancement bonus from either gloves or daggers does not get added at all?
Seeing the first blast was without any of them equipped.

[Steve]

The EB from a hand-held weapon should be added to the RTA AB...unless this has been changed. And it was always my experience that EB/AB on gloves would boost RTA AB as well.

EB gloves do not add to blast damage.

[chad878262]

Try your test with no gloves and no weapon equipped. This should show that your RTA bonus is 4 points lower than with the gloves, 5 points lower than with the dagger.

I never said the EB is added to damage, only the attack bonus. I was saying in the other thread that the warlock in question would still want to have a decent chance to hit with blasts because controller lock is only good in a group, but even then, once you have fired off a couple controls you still want to do something.

[Juramenta]

Try your test with no gloves and no weapon equipped. This should show that your RTA bonus is 4 points lower than with the gloves, 5 points lower than with the dagger.

I never said the EB is added to damage, only the attack bonus. I was saying in the other thread that the warlock in question would still want to have a decent chance to hit with blasts because controller lock is only good in a group, but even then, once you have fired off a couple controls you still want to do something.

I know it does not add to damage, only the daggers should due to daggerspell mage.
The first blast was without gloves and no daggers equipped.
I also assumed daggerspell mage only added the damage not to attack. That is why I tested it both.
2nd with only daggers.
3rd daggers and gloves.
4th only gloves.

It was now +41 +42 +42 +41, so if no gloves or daggers give +41 than shouldn't the results be +41 +46 +46 +45 if the daggers add to attack as well?

[Juramenta]

Tried it again with a regular eldritch blast after removing every buff I had just to be sure.
EB is not added to the attack. Not from the gloves nor the daggers. Weapon focus feat is the only one who does get added when I equip the daggers.

[chad878262]

That's odd, maybe has something to do with DSM?

[Theodore01]

Why, it's nowhere mentioned that it should add AB to a range touch attack when wielding daggers (or gloves?) as a DSM.

[chad878262]

I can't find any of the posts, but I feel like it was a well documented bug that weapon EB improves RTA AB, but also makes it so Deflect Arrows will deflect blasts. If you google it you can find where this is mentioned on the NWN2db and I know there have been threads in the past where players have asked about the deflect arrows bug and it was stated that this bug exists here (granting EB to RTA attacks, but causing deflect arrows to work).

[Herisheft]

So, if that bug get fixed, my daggerspell character will stop sucking so much

[Juramenta]

I assumed the EB from the daggers not to stack on a RTA but the gloves would when calculating to hit.
So that I would get a +4 to attack from the gloves but the damage of the daggers due to the daggerspell mage benefits.
Do hope that at least the damage gets in, but that is impossible for me to check because you only see the damage total and not the damage calculation.

[chad878262]

I assumed the EB from the daggers not to stack on a RTA but the gloves would when calculating to hit.
So that I would get a +4 to attack from the gloves but the damage of the daggers due to the daggerspell mage benefits.
Do hope that at least the damage gets in, but that is impossible for me to check because you only see the damage total and not the damage calculation.

Not impossible, just time consuming. Over time (I usually try to get at least 30 or so hits) you can look at what the highest non-crit damage is and the lowest and get to where you can figure out what is being calculated by process of elimination.

So, if that bug get fixed, my daggerspell character will stop sucking so much

DSM is a powerful class, but depending on build can be a late bloomer.