Earth Genasi, AC Barbarian with 17/- DR

[Vogar Eol]

The 4 levels of AK gives a massive improvement over 30 Barbarian, though. I can understand the desire to go 10 AK for even greater benefits and ending with 15/-.

Why would you go 30 Barbarian? One more use of Rage over a 3 to 4 level dip, or some other reason?

[chad878262]

The 4 levels of AK gives a massive improvement over 30 Barbarian, though. I can understand the desire to go 10 AK for even greater benefits and ending with 15/-.

Why would you go 30 Barbarian? One more use of Rage over a 3 to 4 level dip, or some other reason?

You also gain another epic feat at 28 & 30. Comparing B20/AK10 to B30 the pure barbarian gets one more epic feat, this is why I started B20/AK10 is superior. Losses only one epic feat and some DR, but gains higher saves and a little damage.

[Vogar Eol]

I simply can't see 30B being better than any level of AK from 3 to 10. Mostly because the +2 AC from Tumble and +4 vs spells from Spellcraft. In my view, those bonuses beat out two epic feats in power. It also can obtain 33 heal, and that's significantly better than Epic Skill Focus on top of 16 heal. That's pretty much three epic bonuses rolled up into 1 level of AK.

I'll roll up a revised version tonight with 10 AK.

[dzidek1983]

As this is a RP server, shame on you anointed barbarians.

The anointed knight is a holy soldier who has taken great pains to learn the intricacies of alchemy in order to become a more capable combatant. Armed with an ancestral weapon, she searches for obscure lore, consults with alchemists and sages, and communes with the powers of good. Her unquenchable thirst for knowledge is matched only by her extraordinary combat prowess.

An anointed knight crafts and draws power from magically created oils. By anointing herself with these oils, she unlocks new supernatural powers within her being. She also coats her ancestral weapon with special oils that bestow additional qualities upon the weapon.

Anointed knights are typically paladins or fighters with one or more wizard or cleric levels. Occasionally, an anointed knight emerges from the ranks of single-class wizards, sorcerers, clerics, or bards.

[chad878262]

As this is a RP server, shame on you anointed barbarians.

The anointed knight is a holy soldier who has taken great pains to learn the intricacies of alchemy in order to become a more capable combatant. Armed with an ancestral weapon, she searches for obscure lore, consults with alchemists and sages, and communes with the powers of good. Her unquenchable thirst for knowledge is matched only by her extraordinary combat prowess.

An anointed knight crafts and draws power from magically created oils. By anointing herself with these oils, she unlocks new supernatural powers within her being. She also coats her ancestral weapon with special oils that bestow additional qualities upon the weapon.

Anointed knights are typically paladins or fighters with one or more wizard or cleric levels. Occasionally, an anointed knight emerges from the ranks of single-class wizards, sorcerers, clerics, or bards.

Shame on you for assuming someone can't RP a class different then what is specified in the description. No reason a barbarian couldn't use oils to treat herself or her weapon, yes? No reason their life couldn't take them down a different path.

I simply can't see 30B being better than any level of AK from 3 to 10. Mostly because the +2 AC from Tumble and +4 vs spells from Spellcraft. In my view, those bonuses beat out two epic feats in power. It also can obtain 33 heal, and that's significantly better than Epic Skill Focus on top of 16 heal. That's pretty much three epic bonuses rolled up into 1 level of AK.

I didn't say 30B was better, just laid out the reasoning behind it. Barbarian will always be better off with at least a few levels of fighter, divine champion, or Anointed knight, in some cases other classes.

[dzidek1983]

It could... Then it would be a barb 3 / ak 10 / something else rest...

But in 3,5 version you dont have to justify anything as the engine allows almost anything...
It's more about how you feel about the character you made..

A Barbarian could be a master in survival and making potions from the herbs based on his knowledge about nature, but this only covers one small aspect of the AK PRC.

And i dont know why you allow to completely throw away the class description...
It's there for a reason...

The barbarian enters a berserker state in her unquenchable thirst for knowledge.

[Steve]

My version of holy is totally berserk. I totally get all ragey inside, when I consume a potion of the spirit. I anoint myself with the secret elixers of the gods, then go thrash shit in a whirlwind frenzy to quench the unquenchable thirst!

*wants a knightly barbarian hug*

[chad878262]

Some people would say the same about "good" assassin's. Or weapon master/frenzied berserker. Or sorcerer/Arcane SCHOLAR.

Your rp is your own, if someone else's is different it doesn't make it wrong, or something they should be ashamed of.

[Steve]

Your rp is your own, if someone else's is different it doesn't make it wrong, or something they should be ashamed of.

Of course! The RP of the qualities of a Class/PrC are important to honor—but it is also fair play to be creative and masterful of THE WAY those particulars define the Character!

[dzidek1983]

I dont want to argue but

1 - Assasins is allowed only so we dont have to implement Avenger PRC - waste of time
2 - i dont see anything wrong in uniting with a weapon of choice and chaotic fury of attacks
3 - sorcerers cant gain a deeper understanding of magic that flows in their weins? AS interest is not in researching new spells or finding more specialized uses for their craft, but in understanding the fundamental processes of magic and the inner workings of the Weave...

I do admit there are some builds on the server that break my standards and which you wanted to show me to prolong the debate.

Those would be f.ex. most builds with cleric dip made for free feats, completely ignoring the Gods dogma.

[chad878262]

Your rp is your own, if someone else's is different it doesn't make it wrong, or something they should be ashamed of.

Of course! The RP of the qualities of a Class/PrC are important to honor—but it is also fair play to be creative and masterful of THE WAY those particulars define the Character!

I agree 100%. However, there is nothing I see about Barbarian/Anointed Knight that I see as particularly poor form with regard to role play. Barbarian's can be honorable warriors and, horrible as the story was, the first NWN had an NPC half orc that had a very honorable personality and would have made sense as a Barbarian Anointed Knight.

This came up in another thread recently where someone attacked Karond's "Ultimate Dwarven Defender" making the assumption that there was no RP foundation and it was just a tweaked power build. Making an efficient character and roleplaying said character well are not mutually exclusive and making the assumption that someone is less an RP'er based on their build is the definition of judging a book by it's cover. The OP may have a very cool RP idea in mind which they hope the split will support. Asking for build advice shouldn't result in being told your RP is wrong. That was the only point in my response, to point out that we all have preconceived notions of what we think 'makes sense' build wise and rp wise, but that doesn't make our view points more valid than someone else's.

@dzidek1983
1 - I agree, doesn't stop other players from having a different opinion.
2 - Weapon Master is all about finding perfection in the mastery of a single weapon through careful study and practice. Meanwhile the description of FB is all about frenzied madness, the insanity of battle and almost like an addiction. Seem pretty diametrically opposed, but I still agree...let people play what they want (even a Barbarian/Anointed Knight!)
3 - They CAN, that's the beauty of it! Just like a Barbarian CAN anoint themselves with magical oils to improve combat effectiveness.

[dzidek1983]

Then please at least show it in ability stats... 6 wisdom...

[AlfarinIcebreaker]

TBF, it is really hard to justify Anointed Knight with Barbarian. Warrior of Darkness, yes, but Knight + Barbarian...I would like to see how someone could pull that off RP wise in a believable way.

[chad878262]

Then please at least show it in ability stats... 6 wisdom...

I generally assume builds posted to the db are optimized and don't reflect what someone might play in game. I know none of the exact PC's I play in game are public builds, but I have posted similar builds when one is requested that's close to something I play or have played in the past.

TBF, it is really hard to justify Anointed Knight with Barbarian. Warrior of Darkness, yes, but Knight + Barbarian...I would like to see how someone could pull that off RP wise in a believable way.

Yet I see it as no less plausible than a Weapon Master / Frenzied Berserker. D&D is funny like that.

[Theodore01]

Then please at least show it in ability stats... 6 wisdom...

That's why he quit after 3 levels - he could not grasp it well