One Weapon w/o Feint?

[amber91]

If I don't have the Feint feat, will the One Weapon special maneuvers still work as described?

If you are fighting with a one-handed weapon or a light weapon, and carrying nothing in your off hand, the One Hander feat enables a combat style in which you narrow your profile and situationally attempt to dodge, deflect, and dish out attacks. While the style is active you make tumble checks and gain various potential advantages based on your rolls.
If you possess the Feint feat its cooldown will reset freely once in a twelve second period. If you roll a 17 or higher during combat (unrelated to attacks, secretly rolled) you perform a tumble skill check for one of several one handed maneuvers.
You may perform an acrobatic dodge (+4 tumble, +2 dodge AC two rounds), a weaving assault (+d4 AB two rounds), insightful footwork (+4 dodge AC one round), a deflecting sweep (1 Deflection AC, +1 for every ten parry ranks, two rounds), or an off-hand swap (+4 bluff, feint reset).

[Zanniej]

Yes

[K'yon Oblodra]

Question is, what is the normal cooldown of this feat... Seems feint is supposed to reduce it...

[amber91]

Does the AC dodge bonus from just having the One Weapon style activated show on the character sheet AC? Can't tell if it works because it doesn't seem to show on the sheet.

Thanks!

[ragnarok1983]

I can't recall if the bonus appears on the character sheet when it hits, but it appears in the rolls (and is my favorite perk).

[Jaffool]

I can confirm that the numbers do show up on your character sheet.

[Egg Shen]

Question is, what is the normal cooldown of this feat... Seems feint is supposed to reduce it...

This feat is completely and unnecessarily mysterious. It's infuriating. I posted this in another thread a while back...

Yeah, definitely better than Armor Skin, but is it better than the other two feats we're discussing?

So, theorycrafting based on unclear descriptions leads us to believe that when activated, we always get a +1 AC. Then, once every two rounds (even though "insightful footwork" specifically mentions only giving a one round bonus), a roll is made behind the scenes. 17 or better (assuming an unmodified d20 here??) and we get a bonus based on a tumble check, although we have no idea what the DC is for each effect in question.

For my specific build, two of the effects are pointless. I don't have feint, so the reset from feint and the +4 to bluff from "off-hand swap" don't help me. Nor does the deflection boost from "deflecting sweep" as I already get a +5 deflection from Duelist + 30 ranks parry.

80% of the time it's just a +1 AC. Of the 20% of the time I get a boost, 40% of the time the boost is useless. It sounds like it's a mode. Is it? If it is, does it work in conjunction with other modes like CE/ICE?

Even with all the uncertainty, I think it's still on par with Low Blow and Deadly Defense. Of course, if anybody actually understands the mechanics behind it, I implore you to educate me.

Nobody was ever willing or able to shed further light on what's really going on with it. Good luck!

[dzidek1983]

The feat is great. It's a constant +1AC with options to increase it in battle.

[Jaffool]

Question is, what is the normal cooldown of this feat... Seems feint is supposed to reduce it...

This feat is completely and unnecessarily mysterious. It's infuriating. I posted this in another thread a while back...

Yeah, definitely better than Armor Skin, but is it better than the other two feats we're discussing?

So, theorycrafting based on unclear descriptions leads us to believe that when activated, we always get a +1 AC. Then, once every two rounds (even though "insightful footwork" specifically mentions only giving a one round bonus), a roll is made behind the scenes. 17 or better (assuming an unmodified d20 here??) and we get a bonus based on a tumble check, although we have no idea what the DC is for each effect in question.

For my specific build, two of the effects are pointless. I don't have feint, so the reset from feint and the +4 to bluff from "off-hand swap" don't help me. Nor does the deflection boost from "deflecting sweep" as I already get a +5 deflection from Duelist + 30 ranks parry.

80% of the time it's just a +1 AC. Of the 20% of the time I get a boost, 40% of the time the boost is useless. It sounds like it's a mode. Is it? If it is, does it work in conjunction with other modes like CE/ICE?

Even with all the uncertainty, I think it's still on par with Low Blow and Deadly Defense. Of course, if anybody actually understands the mechanics behind it, I implore you to educate me.

Nobody was ever willing or able to shed further light on what's really going on with it. Good luck!

It's a mode that works with CE and others just fine. I don't believe Off-hand Swap happens when you don't have feint, as I currently don't but plan to get it later. I've never seen my character perform an offhand swap, and any time your character does a move, it pops up in the battle log and you'll see the tumble: success above your head.
No idea about the hidden roll, but I'm definitely getting "17 or above" every couple of rounds, which seems statistically unlikely. The passive AC is nice enough, but the active part, while not exactly reliable, is still pretty nice. Plus, weaving assault is great all the time anyway.

[Calantyr]

Rather than make a new thread, does anyone know if One Hander works with Northlander Hewing?

[dzidek1983]

It doesnt.

[Calantyr]

It doesnt.

Expected but still dissapointing. Thank you.