Invisibility Purge = Attack?

[Mork]

And that is exacly what I've meant. It felt like it needs to be explained since chad wrote something completely opposite.

[Lambe]

The OP was asking whether or not having invisibility purged can be considered an attack. In a situation where the invisible party was deliberately purged after his presence was sensed/detected/given away, then that's basically being dispelled. In a situation where the invisible party enters a purged area willingly despite not knowing the measures the other party has taken, that's basically walking into a trap you may not see but is probably there. Now think about which situation you're walking into, but keep in mind that either situation has YOU walking deliberately into it.

[chad878262]

And that is exacly what I've meant. It felt like it needs to be explained since chad wrote something completely opposite.

Ok, let me clarify my statement, which wouldn't be needed should you read the actual rules:
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- Certain actions can indicate hostile intent and a valid consent to PvP. This includes casting spells, drawing weapons, resting, or using stealth mode (such as Hide in Plain Sight) during hostilities; or pickpocketing or performing a suspicious action towards another character. To prevent this, do not do these actions at all, or clearly and truthfully indicate that the action is done for non-hostile purposes (such as leaving the area).
A character who continuously provokes, slanders, bullies, or offends another character is considered to have consented to PvP with that other character. The offended character is not required to give an RP out before engaging in PvP with the aggressor, as long as the attack occurs during the offending.
If you commit an IC crime either within city limits or in front of witnesses, you are considered to have consented to PvP for the players who have witnessed or been a victim of the crime, and no RP out is required.

i.e. if you go invisible during hostile RP it is consent. If you use HiPS it's the same. If you cast ANY spell, same. So during hostile RP you need to either CLEARLY indicate the non-hostile purpose or simply don't do it at all. Sorry if my comment was not fully explained, but per rules, should you go invisible during hostile RP it is consent. If you are already invisible and someone shouts "Hey, you over there, I see you, even if my companions do not. Drop your spell of concealment or I shall smite you but good!" then you have the option of taking an RP out, dropping the spell, or keeping it up and seeing what happens, but at that point hostile RP has been initiated.

[Mork]

That is understandable chad - I was just confused cause I thought your post was response on my when i talked

about situation when someone has those spells on them - not actively casts them while having hostile conversation

All good now.

[Laughingman]

I just don't get how if I am in a dungeon, invisible, and someone walks up to me with invisibility purge on it leaves me vulnerable to a third party. They then effectively are using an abjuration to dispel my character. Am I then allowed to do the same to remove their purge which is harming me?

[dedude]

I just don't get how if I am in a dungeon, invisible, and someone walks up to me with invisibility purge on it leaves me vulnerable to a third party. They then effectively are using an abjuration to dispel my character. Am I then allowed to do the same to remove their purge which is harming me?

If the RP bewteen your character and the purger leads down that path, and PvP is initiated within standing rules and guidelines, sure! Just roll with the flow.

[Blackman D]

not without rp no because if you are that worried about purge you should stay away from people

a random person with purge going by you isnt really their fault, especially since there are mobs that use invis or greater invis that it helps to have purge on for (particularly greater since it also removes the concealment)

and we are talking about a spell thats 1 min/lvl so can last up to 60 mins extended if they can actually cast it so its not something you can claim that they were out to get you when they cast the spell 30 mins ago...

but feel free to rp as being pissed and dispel them and see what happens

[cosmic ray]

You have to wander close to the person with invisibility purge for it to dispel invisibility. If anything, I would say that the invisible character is the "aggressor" in such a case, if anyone is.

[Laughingman]

I really don't get how invisibility is special and considered pvp consent. My character might be alone in an area and invisible standing still. Someone walks up and dispels my character. So aggressive..... It is a defensive ward. Argueing that it enables you to sneak can work for a thousand other wards. Haste allows you to run someone down. Bulls strength lets you over power them. Heroism helps you hit them. None of these are considered enough to initiate pvp alone yet invisibility is enough to not only warrant a dispel but also you are considered the aggressor?

Anyways I think I will see about making a new spell called "invisibility purge purge". Any tips on where to get spell making RP started?

[chad878262]

I really don't get how it is a player that can't see your toons responsibility to avoid you. . . Pretty sure in reading through the posts it's been stated that having your invisibility dispelled is consenting pvp, but if another player is walking towards you then simply go another direction. You can see them, they can't see you.

[Brother Bruce]

Going to sit and set up a campfire next to one of those mushrooms from Basil's mushroom gathering quest with invis purge on. And when some poor low leveled fool running that quest while invisible dares get within reach of my mushroom I- being the great, powerful Druid and protector of the mushrooms- will demand they leave the mushroom in peace lest they suffer the unspeakable wrath of a Druid/Mycomancer. I will rule the mushroom patches all across the sword coast with an iro- err with a duskwood fist muahaha.

I jest of course

[roke42]

Simply the fact of casting a spell does not provoke aggression. It highly depends on which spell is cast in what situation.

Following scenario: Character A is heavily injured and followed by assassins. A stranger passes by and is about to cast a heal spell. Character A has IC'ly no clue about magic and therefore is not able to identify what the stranger is up to. If you ask me, Character A may initiate PvP vs the stranger.

The same goes with indivisibility purge. If you dispell someone carrying a wyvern egg, and no weapons in hand, there is no agression. However, if your having a private conversation and someone is dispelled with daggers ready to strike, the situation is another.

[Face]

*Calls his rule lawyer...........And hands him the BG rule book*