also wanted to know if there is a piece of gear that gives extra turning feat.
There is. A necklace. Can be bought quite cheaply and frequently at the IG auction. But it takes the necklace slot, alas. I think I once saw boots with it as well - but it's been ages since and they were not +4 AC.
From a powerbuilding perspective, your last build makes me think it should be a Favored Soul with another level of Blackguard and the WIS points invested elsewhere. And an Aasimar...
Rudolph wrote:There is. A necklace. Can be bought quite cheaply and frequently at the IG auction. But it takes the necklace slot, alas. I think I once saw boots with it as well - but it's been ages since and they were not +4 AC.
ill keep my eyes open for it.
From a powerbuilding perspective, your last build makes me think it should be a Favored Soul
wanted to utilize the domain powers.
with another level of Blackguard
one more level of blackguard would drop my strength domain bonus from 11
WIS points invested elsewhere
wanted the DC's to be good and the points are cheap up to 16
And an Aasimar...
Full Orc isnt a powerbuild race. plus i like to party
It will do fine Aaron. In PvP it's not going to beat most other Cleric builds as it is far too split to be a 'true' caster, but it's still a Cleric. Divine Shield would be nice if you can fit it somewhere, but won't necessarily 'need' the extra AC regardless, would be more a nice addition for boss fights.
does blast infidel feat from hierophant deal the double damage from spontaneous conversion inflict series or does it need to be a memorized spell? and what about empowered inflict series spells?
aaron22 wrote:does blast infidel feat from hierophant deal the double damage from spontaneous conversion inflict series or does it need to be a memorized spell? and what about empowered inflict series spells?
Must be working, don't see it differentiate between spontaneous or memorized.
The original build had EDM and therefore could pump out an additional 14ish damage per attack. EDM is really nice for a cleric build, gotta have that Charisma. But I got to do without it and think the build really suits a Cleric of Gruumsh.
Couple things - I cant decide on the 2nd domain. What does the Fury domain spell Battle Cry do? War or Tyranny are good choices too.
And should I be pumping in wis or str for this primarily melee cleric build? I went with Strength.
Any recommendations?
should hit pretty hard and have all the cleric benefits.
if i was doing a str/wis build i would take 4 fighter monk or M@A levels and take str domain and war. if i go str/cha i would go str domain and fury.
this is just theory though as i am working through my first orc cleric right now (DC cleric) and will likely make another that is more in line with what you are wanting soon.
Taking Fighter levels and the War domain does not make much sense. For a 'pure' cleric you are not only gaining weapon focus, you are also gaining Martial Weapons which is arguably the more important (with divine power you shouldn't need the +1 AB with whatever weapon is Gruumsh's favored).
In any case, if you are going melee I would only get WIS to between 17-20. 17 w/ a +3 items, 18 if you can get a +2 WIS item that grants +2 to some other stat and/or other helpful bonuses. 19/20 is just if you want to get your WIS a little higher for bonus spells and such. DEX I would put at either 8 (+4 DEX item), 9 (+3 DEX item), or 10 (+2 DEX item w/ other stuff) and wear full plate. If you have the spare points you can of course put dex at 12-14 and go for mithral full plate as well. CHA is either 21 (fore EDM) or a dump stat when going for melee. Since you aren't going EDM it is a dump stat. So essentially you have to decide how much INT you need to get the skills you want (10 INT gives you spellcraft and concentration so if you want any flavor skills you need at least 12). Next decide where you want to be with DEX / CON and everything left goes to STR. So something like 16 / 9 / 14 / 12 / 16 / 6 should be more than possible with your starting stats, tweak as necessary (I didn't do the math on how many points that is, but I think you may have several more to spend).
Otherwise STR domain is really nice since you can cast extended divine power on your level 4 and 5 slots. I would chose the other domain based on flavor, or bonus feats since you are not an offensive caster. Monk would be nice as well to open up Tumble, but only if you have enough INT and an open feat for able learner, otherwise there is not much benefit. Warrior of Darkness may actually be a better fit instead of Monk for a 4 level dip since it gets you Tower Shields and Martial Weapons at the cost of Iron Will. WoD also has Tumble as a class skill so I think it would be a better dip than monk in this case.
i like war domain with fighter simply due to the versatility granted and gives the free focus. spear base damage has been increased so its comparable to the other two handed. of course most of this is flavor and cool looks. opening up the feat to me is the true bonus. i really gained more by opening up the feat then i would lose from the mechanical limitations of spear. i went with KD, but CE is a choice and a few others. in the end my cleric builds always wanted a couple more feats to feel like i covered it. this is only an opinion as i have not built this before. playing my first one right now.
WoD is good for the BF, elemental damage tower prof and toughness. at the low low cost of iron will and Practiced. BG (EDM high cha builds) is good for the aura and saves. monk is good for fast movement and evasion. cleric builds seem to be pretty forgiving so far.
Because Toughness is not on the bonus feat list for Hostpitaler. You have to add bonus feats to PRC's/Classes on a case by case so not sure if intended. Posted to QC with regard to this, but suggest you look to see if there is another feat in your build plan that you can take and shuffle them to take Toughness on a normal feat level.
chad878262 wrote:Because Toughness is not on the bonus feat list for Hostpitaler. You have to add bonus feats to PRC's/Classes on a case by case so not sure if intended. Posted to QC with regard to this, but suggest you look to see if there is another feat in your build plan that you can take and shuffle them to take Toughness on a normal feat level.
thats what i did. found one that i was planning on taking a bit later and bumped it up.
Bad Omens wrote:So, I am just checking here. You are playing a Grey Orc Hospitaler? Hospitaler is not code for another class?
yes and the RP/backstory/character progression works perfectly for the class. some details in the descriptor for hospitaler are tailored around a more human history, so an orc would have it slightly different. but i feel like it fits as well as any do.
