Looking for a "Knightly" build please see header

[Ironclad]

When I say "knightly" I don't mean that feminised, Richard Gear, Prince Charming nonsense I mean knightly like stomping some other "knight" in a duel to the death for not making the proper obeisance in their greeting.

Knights like "Big Tom" and "Jean de Vrailly" of the Red Knight novels, big hard, nasty, bastards who will stomp your guts out as soon as piss on you to wake you up for guard duty.

I'm no build monkey pro and nwn2db doesn't have our custom classes (as far as I know?) so I don't really know what might be good for this broad concept except maybe Man-at-Arms into Anointed Knight? Which I kind of like as I get to try two of the neat custom classes and MaA seems to give lots of AC and Anointed Knight I'm told is one of the stronger melee PrCs here?

Thoughts?

[chad878262]

Have you considered a Thayan Knight?

Based on your feedback it is a bit hard to give you build advice, in all honesty. A lot of what you describe has more to do with the RP rather than the build. Are you looking for a tank with a tower shield? A power attacking maniac with a two hander? More interested in high AC, high AB, high damage?

There are an INSANE number of Knightly type classes and PRC's... The only thing I get from your RP detail is that Paladin is probably out of the picture! If you could provide a bit more of what you are looking for with regard to your role it will be easier to offer build advice. You can look here if you want to read up on some of the custom classes/PRC's:

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[mrm3ntalist]

Knights like "Big Tom" and "Jean de Vrailly" of the Red Knight novels, big hard, nasty, bastards who will stomp your guts out as soon as piss on you to wake you up for guard duty.

Dota2 is a great game for that. nwn2, not so much.

Other than that, depending your alignment/race, paladin(Cavalier), Fighter/AK(WoD) combos, Fighter/BG make very good knightly type of characters. Lets us know what alignment and race you would like to RP and the many great builders here will be glad to help you with a build.

[izzul]

Knights like "Big Tom" and "Jean de Vrailly" of the Red Knight novels, big hard, nasty, bastards who will stomp your guts out as soon as piss on you to wake you up for guard duty.

Dota2 is a great game for that. nwn2, not so much.

Other than that, depending your alignment/race, paladin(Cavalier), Fighter/AK(WoD) combos, Fighter/BG make very good knightly type of characters. Lets us know what alignment and race you would like to RP and the many great builders here will be glad to help you with a build.

note: Never doubt mrm3entalist build. it does what it says it does

[Ironclad]

Anyway OK you need an expanded premise lets see...

The character will be a towering brute clad head to toe in heavy plate using the "sword and board" style with either a Longsword or Bastard sword, with a heavy or tower shield as deemed best.
As a juggernaut he will be in the thick of combat, weapon and spell attacks being deflected or absorbed by his defences (high AC, high saves), his weapon rising and falling with all the subtlety of a butcher and whilst it lacks any flourish it more than compensates with raw brutality (high consistent damage over unreliable bursty as no high threat weapon) .

His war skill is not complimented by magical ability other than through the use of devices imbued by others (UMD)

His character is one of self confidence backed up by the ability to defend himself and to exert his will in the world by force of arms in which he delights, but he is not a mindless thug and lives within a code of chivalry, self respect and honour. He is a complex mix of threads not easily pigeon holed into law vs chaos, good vs evil, and he certainly does not advocate some sort of blissed out neutral, balance lets smoke some weed hippy dippy crap.

He is likely to war on the powerful who abuse their power, however it will be around 75% just to prove he is stronger than the abuser and 25% to stop the abuse.
He is extremely likely to ensure an opponent is fully aware of their impending doom and will require that they meet it with at least a minimum level of preparedness I.E. awake and armed.
He is likely to respond negatively to cowards seeking to war with words under the protection of their betters.
He is extremely likely to be ferocious in battle but magnanimous in victory if the enemy has proved honourable and valorous, however if the enemy proves craven in defeat or insults his honour they can expect no mercy if captured.

Race and Alignment
Race: Human
Alignment: LG/LN/CG/CN/NG (basically any non-evil and non-true neutral)
Possible Deity: Tempus (as a non caster)
PVP viable: Yes
Not a paladin because of the RP limitations of being a goody two shoes with everyone desperate to tell you what you can't do.

Build priorities
Armour Class: Extremely high
Saving Throws: Extremely high
Damage: High and consistent but not at the expense of AC or Saves

As I mentioned in my OP I was tentatively looking at Man-At-Arms and Anointed Knight combos having already studied the custom class list as well as asking party members in game and having come to the understanding that they believed the AK was one of if not the strongest of the melee PrC. The MaA provides high AC and Fort and Will saves which I gather are also very important on this server (Reflex less so?), and it provided an excuse to use two custom classes I liked the look off in one build.

But with neither class being on the old nwn2db and with me not having that much experience in nwn2 (im a nwn1 vet) building I ask for your recommendations on this.

[Valefort]

http://nwn2db.com/build/?269399

[Theodore01]

http://nwn2db.com/build/?269399

That's a nice build

[Valefort]

Ty ! Personally I would probably go the IPA route instead of ICE but if he wants high AC .. that's a way to do it, it's just rather useless in my opionion

[chad878262]

If you want high AC and high AB and high damage your best bet would likely be Barbarian (which is not exactly 'knightly', but can be all those things while raging). Something like a B20/AK10 or B20/F4/DC6 for example might work for you.

If you don't want Barbarian, I think you will likely have to settle for something that has the ability to have either very high AC or very high Damage as the situation warrants. F12/AK10/FB5/NWN3 could be to your liking as something that mixes decent saves in with solid offense.

Note: At work so can't see Valefort's build, but if it doesn't include steadfast determination, please see my sig...

[Deathgrowl]

Description sounds like non-good. I'd say Lawful Neutral or Lawful Evil for the description. Probably Lawful Neutral.

Fighter12/MaA11 is a good start for a heavy armour kind of character. Leaves you 7 levels to play with. Weaponmaster can be filled in there, for instance. Or since you want high defense (saves, at least), maybe divine champion.

If you instead go the good aligned route (although that kind of character can't stay good long...) fighter12/anointed knight10/maa4/dc8 with epic DR (getting you to 12/-) is a good way. Less great on the offensive, but it'll be very hard to kill.

[Calodan]

Ty ! Personally I would probably go the IPA route instead of ICE but if he wants high AC .. that's a way to do it, it's just rather useless in my opionion

ICE useless? MAKE A EPIC FEAT THAT NEGATES THE ATTACK PENALTY ON CE AND ICE!!! DO IT NOW!

[Valefort]

That build has 50 AC without ICE ! It's already well in the useless AC territory.

[chad878262]

ICE useless? MAKE A EPIC FEAT THAT NEGATES THE ATTACK PENALTY ON CE AND ICE!!! DO IT NOW!

I would be against this as an Epic Feat increases AC by +1... This type of Feat is essentially granting +6 AC at no penalty.

HOWEVER!!! What might be more feasible is lessening the penalty for going full on Defense. For instance having a feat or class ability (perhaps M@A and/or Cavalier Paladin) which lowers the penalty for ICE when fighting with a Heavy or Tower Shield. Maybe like +2 AB if using ICE while wielding a a Heavy or Towershield, +1 if using CE with Heavy or Tower. This does not negate the penalty of -6 (Heavy) / -8 (Tower) with ICE, but it lessons it just a bit. It also ensures there is still a reason to use CE vs. ICE vs. neither, since CE would still be +3 AC, -2 AB and ICE +6 AC, -4 AB (+3, -4 and +6, -6 with Tower).

This is of course off topic for what the OP is asking, but it is relevant to help him determine ICE vs. IPA...

50 AC is definitely the cutoff for the majority of the server where more AC doesn't help much. However, there are area's where hitting/exceeding 60 will be beneficial! The trick is if you hit those numbers, but your AB and/or damage is too low you still won't be able to win any combats!

[Calodan]

50 AC is definitely the cutoff for the majority of the server where more AC doesn't help much. However, there are area's where hitting/exceeding 60 will be beneficial! The trick is if you hit those numbers, but your AB and/or damage is too low you still won't be able to win any combats!

More aptly 55 AC is the target number to be mostly immune to getting hit on the regular when fighting the bosses with the exception of Grey Peaks Balor, Wyrm's Forest Green Dragon Boss and White Dragon Boss. These guys will rek you at 55 AC you need 60+ for these guys to avoid getting dinged badly. Note on all of this though the single most important thing to have when fighting a boss with 55+ AC? A potion of stone or iron body! No one thinks about how important a immunity to critical hits really is!

[Theodore01]

Note on all of this though the single most important thing to have when fighting a boss with 55+ AC? A potion of stone or iron body! No one thinks about how important a immunity to critical hits really is!

What ? Never used such a thing. Just take a blow like a man.

On the other side - i never survived the white dragon.