Would u still play on BGTSCC if yr Toon had only "X" Lives?

[aaron22]

its not any more an OOC tool for Ic decisions as knowing you have a str score of 27 and playing your character is pretty sure he can lift that boulder. its a mechanical value to a very real effect.... mortality.

[Hoihe]

Play a good aligned character. You will be pressured into getting involved with conflict simply because you are supposed to play your alignment and assist people. If you don't do that, suddenly your guild starts getting a reputation of not doing anything, despite actions taken on the NPC front. See case in point: OSR. OSR doesn't participate in hunting down Saturday Morning villains PvPing everyone. OSR participated in events instead and did Good aligned stuff. People started shitting on OSR because they didn't hunt down Saturday Morning villains.


Violation of Rule #2 and Rule #3 - Modified by Hawke


Ty for the ad hominem. I can toss plenty at you as well. There's enough dirt. There are some hazy details regarding triel.

As for adding, I already proposed Indefinite death. Just as you and Aaron are compelled to "become shining lights of the right and proper RP who get things done and show other the way", I feel compelled to protect my and the quiet folks' interests in playing the game and act contrary to your "Must show the way!"

[Hoihe]

I was thinking about events like fights near... I don't know I am going to call it a blood stone that might just trap the souls of those slain there or parts of it...

One could make the OOC decision IC by basically ingame make them lose part of their soul... But that's just an idea... I am no one that wants to force this onto anyone just throwing in thoughts for this idea...

You can free souls trapped in a soul stone just fine.

But there are ways to prevent Resurrection right?

I am no expert on D&D so I have to ask... Although there must be things like that

Let's stay of personal attacks

There are ways, there are also ways to undo that. D&D magic is a massive pile of "There's a spell for that.", boiling it all down to at most "Indefinite death with very difficult solution."

[Calodan]

Knowing what I know about gear and XP on this server and how it is earned and got through mechanical means as well as any real Epic Gear being given out by DMs I would have to say with an astounding and resounding. HELL NO! I WOULD NOT! It takes too long to level up in the first place to want to put a concept on the line. It also takes too much time to gather gear for a specific build to have it die before seeing end game? Yeah no.

Other things would have to be drastically changed for those that OPT into this for consideration. To include exponentially greater XP rates and Gear drops. Not sure what else other than that.

[VillageGreenWitch]

@Hoihe:
Could you do me a favour and explain what "(do-me)" actually is supposed to mean? Not even a google search helped me there.

(Same goes for "(#2)" although I suspect to know what that means. . . )

Also - ignore my earlier post please, I forgot that we play D&D here. My wishes therefore were completely unrealistic.

[Rhifox]

Yes I would still play on BG if toons only had "X" lives. And always RPed as if death was something permanent or at least a serious issue to overcome. Unfortunately the server is very much designed against fearing death. It's been incredibly hurtful to immersion where deaths (particularly player conflict ones) are treated so lightly as to make it impossible for characters to do anything but view death as inconsequential. My character doesn't even view a death as a death anymore until a cleric of some kind declares that the rez efforts failed. Cessation of breath, major blood loss, decapitation, incineration... that's just seriously injured and in need of medical attention, unless a healer-type says otherwise. It's about the closest I can get to still RPing death as a serious thing when faced with so many resurrections IC ("You got back up again, that means you didn't die. Because real death is final.")

How can that be fixed? Hell if anyone knows. Whatever system would be made would need to be mechanical because it's been quite clear that the current 3-strike system isn't enforced and likely won't ever be (with DMs even stating that they are afraid to give players strikes because of QQ'ing). And if a mechanical system, that would also require that PvP deaths send you to the Fugue and undergo all the same consequences that PvE ones do, because player conflict is where the biggest issues of zero-consequences comes from as those "deaths" are arbitrated by neither mechanics nor DMs.

I don't agree with opt-in systems. Rules that apply to some people and not others are rarely a good idea. A consistent, unified ruleset is a necessity for people interacting in the same environment.

Could you do me a favour and explain what "(do-me)" actually is supposed to mean? Not even a google search helped me there.

(Same goes for "(#2)" although I suspect to know what that means. . . )

It's the result of the forum's unnecessary censorship filter. (do-me) is the filtered word for f.ucking and (#2) is s.hit.

[aaron22]

do me is a cleaned up way of saying the slang for sex. and #2 is what you do when both sexes have to sit down to go to the bathroom.

[Young Werther]

I don't think Steve has ever had a level 30 toon guys. He obviously wants to kill yours off so he can RP with your new toons on his level.

On the topic I think play styles would change and you'd see a lot of, "I gave a message to my cleric buddy to get my body here in this dungeon in case of this." And also, "I got a whole stash of diamonds and a whole temple backing me up, wbu?" People will always game the system.

I like the simplicity of the current system that's open to interpretation, personally. Too late to change in the current incarnation regardless. I'll always wish there were more servers for different play styles tho.

[VillageGreenWitch]

Ah, thanks, you two.
So it essentially is an unnecessarily slang-approach to deliver your point, then. *sage nod*
Got it, thanks,

[ThornsM]

There are various systems that can and have been implemented on nwn2 that expose all characters to perma-death without inequalities. The more refined of them have aspects that give insurance against lag-death and other ooc conditions. But regardless of them all, it is not realistic to expect any of them to be implemented here. So discussing their details is little more than a way to pass the time, or to stir up assorted feelings. The original question is sufficiently vague that it can hardly be rightly answered, just what are "X" "u" and "yr" anyway?, not sure on Toon either, that's just an old RPG and there sure is no real death in that.. just time off-screen.

[Deathgrowl]

@Hoihe:
Could you do me a favour and explain what "(do-me)" actually is supposed to mean? Not even a google search helped me there.

(Same goes for "(#2)" although I suspect to know what that means. . . )

Forum word censor script. The first one is the "f-word" and the latter is faeces.

[Planehopper]

I would love for this conversation to continue, and for moderators to be able to stay out of this.. however it will not, and will be locked and actions taken if the attacks back and forth, the censor workarounds, and the otherwise overly-personal off topic comments are continued.

Please consider this a polite request to abide by the rules, both in letter and in spirit.

Thanks!

[aaron22]

first off. i enjoy that people of differing opinion speak up on matters. so hoihe, steve, keep coming but lets not get about things that are meant to hurt personally.

the point i want to make in favor of perma death is i do not think anyone can be a hero if they are unkillable. you can only die on the server if you are incredibly rude and/or stupid in a DM event. or you write your own death up. and either one of those can be rebutted for a glorious return to the sword coast.

even superman can be killed. why? cause smart writers decided that the hero needs to face mortality to actually do something heroic. i think of us all as creative writers. writing along with other creative writers to go through the trials of our hero. that is what RP is anyway. so why are we missing a major component of a hero. mortality. sad really.

[Planehopper]

As a personal (non moderator) response, I will just say this:

While I agree in spirit (perhaps not process) with more consequential RP, a heavier RP setting, and a general feeling of "blah" when it comes to some of the recurring cartoonish villainy and heroism we see here..

This topic has come up countless times. Use the search the function (though most of you have been in the past conversations, so you know that). I don't think that things have changed in regards to player opinion or staff opinion that will lead to any server-wide change related to permanent death consequences. To me, then, that begs the question about what a compromise may be that would suit a more broad base of the server?

Because as it stands I would bet a body part on this never happening. Not as a standard rule. Perhaps as an unenforceable club.

So if you desire to drive real change, perhaps starting a move toward the middle would be wise? What would that look like to each of you?

[dedude]

Any system that isn't enforced mechanically, or is "open to interpretation", isn't a system at all. Every time someone says that everyone should be allowed to play the game as they like, I cringe a little, cause I'm the type of player that prefer defined boundaries. But I know that is the official position of the server, so it is what it is.

It's not like there are a lot of options to chose from in the nwn community anymore, so players with different playstyle preferences are bound to clash on the few remaining active servers. This makes it extremely difficult to even talk about introducing new core mechanics, because you can't please everyone in such a diverse community as ours. Even the smallest changes have people crying bloody murder, so a big thing like character mortality is bound to bring a heated discussion. It's going to require a brave management group to push the server forward, whichever direction it's in.