How many Arcane Sorcerer Scholars are there?

[Flights of Fantasy]

I wanted to post this on the Discussion forum but polling has been disabled there. Since the results will most likely lead to a suggestion, I figured this would be a good spot. Moderators are free to move it to a better location if I missed it.

Anyway, this poll was inspired from several of the builds that were being listed in my sorcerer discussion topic. I'm curious how many sorcerers on BG have also taken the ASoC PrC. Also choose "yes" if your Sorcerer in his final build RCRed into the class and "no" if your Sorcerer in his final build RCRed out of the class. Please only answer this poll if you have (or had) a sorcerer on BG. This will provide valuable information for my Pure Sorcerer suggestion thread. The poll will end in three days.

Thank you.

[the_flame_of_anor]

I have 2 sorcerers, one with ASOC and one without. So how?

Anyway, I voted yes.

[Lockonnow]

i wish we have this one for the sorcerer prc http://www.realmshelps.net/charbuild/cl ... ster.shtml

[Flights of Fantasy]

I have 2 sorcerers, one with ASOC and one without. So how?

Anyway, I voted yes.

Ah, didn't count on that. Well, I guess it comes down to the reason why your one sorcerer doesn't have ASoC. If it's because you couldn't add it in but wanted to, I'd say that make a yes.

i wish we have this one for the sorcerer prc http://www.realmshelps.net/charbuild/cl ... ster.shtml

Looks nice but this poll is just to figure out whether or not the ASoC is a pure Sorcerer's main competition.

[the_flame_of_anor]

i wish we have this one for the sorcerer prc http://www.realmshelps.net/charbuild/cl ... ster.shtml

I really like this sorcerer PRC! Should be a separate thread though.

[Dagesh]

This is over a year old but I'm sure not a lot has changed for casters.

viewtopic.php?p=659309#p659309

[Dagesh]

I plugged into a spreadsheet and got the proper percentages.

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[gender]
F 744 29%
M 1848 71%
2592
[race]
Dwarf 234 9%
Elf 457 18%
Gnome 78 3%
Gray Orc 79 3%
Half Elf 113 4%
Half Orc 137 5%
Halfling 130 5%
Human 854 33%
Planetouched 510 20%
2592
[subrace]
Aasimar 212 8%
Air Genasi 21 1%
Deep Gnome 20 1%
Deep Imaskari 16 1%
Drow 155 6%
Earth Genasi 86 3%
Fire Genasi 49 2%
Gold Dwarf 23 1%
Gray Dwarf 10 0%
Gray Orc 79 3%
Half Elf 91 4%
Half Orc 137 5%
Half drow 22 1%
Human 838 32%
Lightfoot Halfling 30 1%
Moon Elf 103 4%
Rock Gnome 58 2%
Shield Dwarf 201 8%
Strongheart Halfling 100 4%
Sun Elf 72 3%
Tanarukk 12 0%
Tiefling 125 5%
Water Genasi 5 0%
Wild Elf 14 1%
Wood Elf 113 4%
2592
[background]
Appraiser 123 5%
Bully 137 5%
Confidant 18 1%
Devout 203 8%
Farmer 46 2%
Flirt 32 1%
Foreigner 351 14%
Furious Charger 120 5%
Ladies' Man 31 1%
Militia 25 1%
Natural Disguiser 41 2%
Natural Leader 41 2%
No Background 494 19%
Savvy 3 0%
Survivor 1 0%
Tale Teller 18 1%
Talent 24 1%
Troublemaker 22 1%
Veteran 439 17%
Wild Child 335 13%
Wizard's Apprentice 85 3%
2589
[alignment]
Chaotic Evil 150 6%
Chaotic Good 265 10%
Chaotic Neutral 374 14%
Lawful Evil 178 7%
Lawful Good 312 12%
Lawful Neutral 218 8%
Neutral Evil 298 11%
Neutral Good 368 14%
True Neutral 429 17%
2592
[deity]
Abbathor 3 0%
Aerdrie Faenya 2 0%
Akadi 28 1%
Angharradh 11 0%
Ao 28 1%
Arvoreen 11 0%
Auril 31 1%
Azuth 43 2%
Baervan Wildwanderer 1 0%
Bahgtru 9 0%
Bane 42 2%
Baravar Cloakshadow 8 0%
Berronar Truesilver 7 0%
Beshaba 20 1%
Bhaal 30 1%
Bhaal 1 0%
Brandobaris 25 1%
Callarduran Smoothhands 8 0%
Chauntea 31 1%
Clangeddin Silverbeard 20 1%
Corellon Larethian 44 2%
Cyrrollalee 1 0%
Deep Duerra 2 0%
Deneir 10 0%
Dugmaren Brightmantle 3 0%
Dumathoin 6 0%
Eilistraee 27 1%
Eldath 14 1%
Erevan Ilesere 12 0%
Fenmarel Mestarine 13 1%
Finder Wyvernspur 14 1%
Flandal Steelskin 1 0%
Gaerdal Ironhand 4 0%
Garagos 20 1%
Gargauth 18 1%
Garl Glittergold 7 0%
Ghaunadaur 6 0%
Gond 50 2%
Gorm Gulthyn 14 1%
Grumbar 30 1%
Gruumsh 22 1%
Gwaeron Windstrom 13 1%
Haela Brightaxe 6 0%
Hanali Celanil 7 0%
Helm 46 2%
Hoar 14 1%
Ilmater 23 1%
Ilneval 7 0%
Istishia 31 1%
Jergal 10 0%
Kiransalee 9 0%
Kossuth 36 1%
Labelas Enoreth 1 0%
Laduguer 3 0%
Lathander 55 2%
Leira 42 2%
Lliira 7 0%
Lolth 53 2%
Loviatar 7 0%
Lurue 18 1%
Luthic 7 0%
Malar 34 1%
Marthammor Duin 6 0%
Mask 46 2%
Mielikki 41 2%
Milil 11 0%
Moradin 23 1%
Myrkul 32 1%
Mystra 69 3%
No Deity 532 21%
Oghma 27 1%
Red Knight 15 1%
Rillfane Rallathil 20 1%
Savras 4 0%
Segojan Earthcaller 2 0%
Sehanine Moonbow 11 0%
Selune 22 1%
Seveltarm 7 0%
Shar 68 3%
Sharess 8 0%
Shargaas 3 0%
Sharindlar 1 0%
Shaundakul 38 1%
Sheela Peryroyl 12 0%
Shevarash 17 1%
Shiallia 3 0%
Siamorphe 7 0%
Silvanus 69 3%
Solonor Thelandira 24 1%
Sune 20 1%
Talona 5 0%
Talos 33 1%
Tempus 46 2%
Thard Harr 3 0%
Torm 40 2%
Tymora 42 2%
Tyr 34 1%
Ubtao 10 0%
Umberlee 12 0%
Urdlen 4 0%
Urogalan 3 0%
Uthgar 12 0%
Valkur 2 0%
Vergadain 9 0%
Vhaeraun 17 1%
Waukeen 70 3%
Yondalla 5 0%
Yurtrus 1 0%
2592
[class]
Anointed Knight 123 0%
Arcane Archer 116 0%
Arcane Scholar of Candlekeep 802 3%
Arcane Trickster 245 1%
Archmage 226 1%
Assassin 835 3%
Barbarian 720 3%
Bard 1687 6%
Battle Rager 12 0%
Bear Warrior 45 0%
Black Flame Zealot 7 0%
Blackguard 130 0%
Blood Magus 233 1%
Bodyguard 67 0%
Breach Gnome 8 0%
Cavestalker 15 0%
Cleric 2016 8%
Daggerspell Mage 111 0%
Dervish 89 0%
Dissonant Chord 68 0%
Divine Champion 95 0%
Divine Seeker 2 0%
Dragon Warrior 39 0%
Dragonslayer 102 0%
Dread Pirate 89 0%
Druid 1363 5%
Duelist 89 0%
Dwarven Defender 199 1%
Eldritch Knight 321 1%
Elemental Archer 149 1%
Favored Soul 1157 4%
Fighter 2939 11%
Fist of the Forest 29 0%
Frenzied Berserker 199 1%
Frost Mage 92 0%
Ghost Faced Killer 15 0%
Guild Thief 86 0%
Harper Agent 19 0%
Hellfire Warlock 33 0%
Hierophant 126 0%
Hospitaler 46 0%
Invisible Blade 52 0%
Man at Arms 202 1%
Master Alchemist 76 0%
Master of Disguises 10 0%
Monk 1202 5%
Morninglord of Lathander 97 0%
Order of the Bow Initiate 55 0%
Paladin 748 3%
Pale Master 436 2%
Ranger 1052 4%
Red Wizard ** 31 0%
Rogue 1420 5%
Sacred Fist 175 1%
Shadow Adept 84 0%
Shadowdancer 330 1%
Silverstar 4 0%
Sorcerer 441 2%
Spirit Shaman 238 1%
Stormlord 75 0%
Stormsinger 170 1%
Swashbuckler 230 1%
Techsmith of Gond 106 0%
Tempest 131 0%
Thaumaturge 136 1%
Thayan Knight 5 0%
Warlock 1117 4%
Warpriest 41 0%
Warrior of Darkness 54 0%
Warsling Sniper 8 0%
Weapon Master 473 2%
Whirling Dervish 117 0%
Wilderness Stalker 26 0%
Wizard 2163 8%
26249
[skill]
Appraise 3552 2%
Bluff 4110 2%
Concentration 18003 10%
Craft Alchemy 2698 1%
Craft Armor 1238 1%
Craft Trap 102 0%
Craft Weapon 1453 1%
Diplomacy 4971 3%
Disable Device 3897 2%
Discipline 2 0%
Disguise 788 0%
Escape Artist 700 0%
Heal 6158 3%
Hide 9365 5%
Intimidate 4665 3%
Listen 10445 6%
Lore: Arcana 11834 6%
Lore: ArchEngineering 188 0%
Lore: Dungeoneering 363 0%
Lore: Geography 283 0%
Lore: History 494 0%
Lore: Local 304 0%
Lore: Nature 665 0%
Lore: Nobility and Royalty 194 0%
Lore: Religion 1079 1%
Lore: The planes 872 0%
Move Silently 8996 5%
Open Lock 4044 2%
Parry 2034 1%
Perform 3797 2%
Search 3744 2%
Sense Motive 2737 1%
Set Trap 824 0%
Sleight of Hand 1451 1%
Spellcraft 18365 10%
Spot 9508 5%
Survival 5083 3%
Taunt 2435 1%
Tumble 18062 10%
Use Magic Device 13008 7%
182511

[ZestyDragon]

I will admit i did not expect that difference between number of wizards and sorcerers. There are over four times as many wizards. Guess that makes it pretty clear which is considered the more powerful of the two.

[Tsidkenu]

I will admit i did not expect that difference between number of wizards and sorcerers. There are over four times as many wizards. Guess that makes it pretty clear which is considered the more powerful popular of the two.

Corrected

[aaron22]

you are wanting there to be a reason to full progress sorc, but i really doubt that many of those wizards are W30. there are a very limited number of classes that provide benefits to be x30. druid. ranger. warlock. favored soul somewhat. monk in some aspects. cleric can have some benefit if you have certain domains and builds. but really most builds get better from adding PrCs and that is kind of the point. isnt it?

[Dagesh]

And for more fun...here's the top # (I just grabbed the top # subjectively) for each category:

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[race]
Human 854 33%
Planetouched 510 20%
Elf 457 18%
Dwarf 234 9%

[subrace]
Human 838 32%
Aasimar 212 8%
Shield Dwarf 201 8%
Drow 155 6%
Half Orc 137 5%
Tiefling 125 5%

[background]
No Background 494 19%
Veteran 439 17%
Foreigner 351 14%
Wild Child 335 13%
Devout 203 8%

[alignment]
True Neutral 429 17%
Chaotic Neutral 374 14%
Neutral Good 368 14%
Lawful Good 312 12%
Neutral Evil 298 11%
Chaotic Good 265 10%
Lawful Neutral 218 8%
Lawful Evil 178 7%
Chaotic Evil 150 6%

[deity]
No Deity 532 21%
Waukeen 70 3%
Mystra 69 3%
Silvanus 69 3%
Shar 68 3%
Lathander 55 2%
Lolth 53 2%
Gond 50 2%
Helm 46 2%
Mask 46 2%
Tempus 46 2%
Corellon Larethian 44 2%
Azuth 43 2%
Bane 42 2%
Leira 42 2%
Tymora 42 2%
Mielikki 41 2%
Torm 40 2%

[class]
Fighter 2939 11%
Wizard 2163 8%
Cleric 2016 8%
Bard 1687 6%
Rogue 1420 5%
Druid 1363 5%
Monk 1202 5%
Favored Soul 1157 4%
Warlock 1117 4%
Ranger 1052 4%
Assassin 835 3%
Arcane Scholar of Candlekeep 802 3%
Paladin 748 3%
Barbarian 720 3%


[skill]
Spellcraft 18365 10%
Tumble 18062 10%
Concentration 18003 10%
Use Magic Device 13008 7%
Lore: Arcana 11834 6%
Listen 10445 6%
Spot 9508 5%
Hide 9365 5%
Move Silently 8996 5%
Heal 6158 3%
Survival 5083 3%
Diplomacy 4971 3%
Intimidate 4665 3%

[Dagesh]

I should also note that the total number of classes taken = 26249 while it looks like (at that time over a year ago) the total number of PCs in the vault is 2592.

Dividing 26249 by 2592 gives the average server PC level around 10.

Another note, then is that the number listed for Wizards is the number of times it was actually taken on level up. So for building, people tend to take Wizard over Sorc.

[Flights of Fantasy]

Thanks for all the numbers everyone. This will really help

I will admit i did not expect that difference between number of wizards and sorcerers. There are over four times as many wizards. Guess that makes it pretty clear which is considered the more powerful popular of the two.

Corrected

As a fellow sorcerer lover, I understand your denial. The fact of the matter though is that on a mid-RP server where there are just as many power builders as there are RPers (and however the two mesh), the most popular is pretty much a strong indicator of the most powerful.

Edit: Figured I'd just take the base classes and order them by their numbers. Shame the Phantom numbers weren't available.

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[Base Classes]
Fighter 2939
Wizard 2163
Cleric 2016
Bard 1687
Rogue 1420
Druid 1363
Monk 1202
Favored Soul 1157
Warlock 1117
Ranger 1052
Paladin 748
Barbarian 720
Sorcerer 441
Spirit Shaman 238
Swashbuckler 230
Man-at-Arms 202

Phantom N/A

I wouldn't mind seeing the most recent numbers for all of this.

[CleverUsername123]

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Ao 28 1%

...Uh, what? We have 28 worshipers of Ao in 1353 DR?

A lot of people choosing ASoC isn't really a problem. What's wrong with people using prestige classes? Arcane Scholar has improved metamagics and that's a nice thing to have. My wizard has levels in ASoC.

Why should there be incentive for sorcs to stay pure? They get all their spells at way more uses per day than a wizard gets; 6/day not even counting Charisma, isn't it?

[ZestyDragon]

I will admit i did not expect that difference between number of wizards and sorcerers. There are over four times as many wizards. Guess that makes it pretty clear which is considered the more powerful popular of the two.

Corrected

The fact that you can take PrC's from level 5 immediately gives wizard an edge. Then take into account their main attribute (INT) has better synergy for skills, As a Sorcerers main stat is CHA and they only have one CHA based skill. Then lack of skill points on top and we finish off on 1 less feat per five levels. With the only rewarding factor being that you have one more spell per day, per level.

I suppose my question is why do Favored Souls and Spirit shamans have so many more spell options, While also gaining a ton of special abilities on top.

9/6/6/6/6/6/6/6/5/4 vs 9/5/5/4/4/4/3/3/3/3 How is that a fair comparison when they are pretty much just the same thing, the spontaneous casting version of another class. Now you can say mages spellbook is stronger but its not in the end. I can list a fair few bosses and areas my favored soul can level that my sorcerer can't, but the same can't be said the other way around. Also why do wizards only have one restricted school? that's an entire spell school worth of spells wizards get as an option from PnP. Why don't sorcerers get an entire spell school worth of options?.