Open more PRCs to Invocation Progression

[Kanada]

Like the title says, it's a simple concept. Warlocks are incredibly cookie cutter because they are so limited in their current options, especially as Guttural will never be added here. Open up like Frost Mage (warlocks DO have a frost blast essence), maybe Blood Mage or Shadow Adept. Give them a chance to have a few more options, both mechanically and rp-wise.

[Blackman D]

I would imagine that it's not that simple given it's a different type of casting

They would probably need a separate prc as to not break things

Also the unlimited casting tends to go against them

[Kanada]

I would imagine that it's not that simple given it's a different type of casting

They would probably need a separate prc as to not break things

Also the unlimited casting tends to go against them

Yeah but it doesn't give the new more powerful spells, or more invocations, just a different fklavor. This can already be seen in the stormsinger prc.

[Sun Wukong]

Or how about creating some Warlock Specific 'Pact' feats? Different pacts could bring different penalties and bonuses based on the number of Warlock levels. Perhaps add some spell like abilities with a limited number of uses... etc...

And since Warlocks need to spend a feat to get a pact, and can only have one, it should be all fine. Not to mention that if someone is not interested in 'pact' RP - they are not forced to - since you are not forced to do it in 3.5 anyhow...

[Maecius]

I think "warlock pact feat" lines as above, or even just new warlock PRCs, would be the best way to go -- as opposed to opening existing PRCs for invocation progression if they do not have that progression already written into them per lore.

I'll leave it for QC and the development team to discuss though, if they choose to do so!

[Sun Wukong]

I think these were warlock pacts in 4th edition:

• The Star Pact is made with an entity from the Far Realm or a star located near it, which grants powers of grand revelations from the stars that madden foes. Star Pact warlocks can use either Constitution or Charisma for their attacks. There are also Star Pact spells which use Intelligence for attack rolls.[1]
• The Fey Pact, forged with an amoral power of the Feywild, giving the user access to both wondrous and dangerous spells of the Faerie realm. Fey Pact warlocks use Charisma for their attacks.
• The Infernal Pact represents an agreement with a devil of the Nine Hells, giving one powers of hellish and demonic proportions. Infernal Pact warlocks use Constitution for their attacks.
• The Dark Pact is made with powerful residents of the Underdark and the Abyss, which grants spells of plagues, illness and disease. This was presented in the Forgotten Realms Player's Guide.[2] Dark Pact warlocks use Charisma for their attacks.
• The Vestige Pact, presented in the Arcane Power supplement, represents an agreement with vestiges, arcane "echoes" of once-great individuals and powers, allowing the Warlock to act as a spirit medium through which entities manifest their powers.
• The Sorcerer-King Pact is included in the Dark Sun Campaign Setting. This pact is made with a Sorcerer-King of Athas, giving access to abilities that destroy and defile. Sorcerer-King Pact warlocks can use either Constitution or Charisma for their attacks.
• The Gloom Pact is made with creatures of the Shadowfell, which gives the ability to connect with the shadows and use them to bind foes to them.
• The Elemental Pact which allows Warlocks to draw their power from ancient Primordials in the Elemental Chaos, which in turn gives them chaotic elemental powers.

As for fifth edition:

• The warlock has three options for its patron, Archfey, Fiend, and Great Old One. Warlocks with a patron of the Archfey make pacts with powerful lords of Faerie, wild incarnations of the forces of nature, to gain their power; those with the Fiend patron make deals and bargains with infernal powers such as Demon Lords and Princes of Hell for magic; and those with the Great Old One patron draw their magical power from the Far Realm, strange, dark gods of entropy such as Tharizdun, or even eldritch alien beings, and are often on the verge of insanity.[4] The Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide adds a fourth possible patron, The Undying, drawing their powers from pacts with powerful immortals like Iuz the dread or the lich-queen Vol.
• Three options for its type of pact are presented. Pact of the Chain allows the warlock to summon a familiar, Pact of the Tome grants the warlock a Book of Shadows containing additional spells, and Pact of the Blade allows the warlock to conjure a magical weapon for combat.

The text above was just copy pasted from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warlock_( ... 6_Dragons)

Too lazy to go scouring source books... So just copy and pasting wikipedia... >_>

But anyhow, I guess it is a start of a discussion of what could be added.

[Babuguuscooties]

[*]The Vestige Pact, presented in the Arcane Power supplement, represents an agreement with vestiges, arcane "echoes" of once-great individuals and powers, allowing the Warlock to act as a spirit medium through which entities manifest their powers.

This one sounds really cool to me lol

[Aspect of Sorrow]

Some of these don't appear to need to warrant an entire PRC. A kit would do nicely in it's stead.

[NegInfinity]

I think one prc that might be worth opening is Thaumaturge. It is already possible to pick it as a warlock, it simply doesn't allow invocation progression.

Even though warlocks are not supposed to be summoners.

[Steve]

4e and 5e support Elemental/Primordial pacts, right?

One could really open up a lot of RP if a Warlock/Thaumaturge type could be made, pacted to 1 Elemental force, allowing different levels of Summons on each tier of Invocations (from the 1 element, of course).

[Sun Wukong]

Rasael's idea was to do an exhaustive pact progression with kits, you'd just pick your pact at level 1 warlock through a feat, and it'd unlock different invocations and such, but that required his custom spellcasting system to work well... We could still probably do it but it'd be far less elegant.

Would that mean that the choice in invocations would be limited, or would pacts get their own specific invocations only available for that pact? Or would some primordial fire pact use modified standard invocations that dish out fire and nothing but fire?

What of a Warlock without a kit/pact?

[Vermilion]

4e and 5e support Elemental/Primordial pacts, right?

One could really open up a lot of RP if a Warlock/Thaumaturge type could be made, pacted to 1 Elemental force, allowing different levels of Summons on each tier of Invocations (from the 1 element, of course).

I think the Primordials only manifest in Faerun during the Sundering though, as I think they're all stuck on Abeir during the server timescale.

[Steve]

There are the Elemental Lords, which were also Primordials!
Akadi, Bazim-Gorag, Grumbar, Istishia and Kossuth.