Pale Master Question

[Blackman D]

yea... i didnt think i was speakin in riddles there

[Sun Wukong]

You cannot have a 'Dracolich Disciple' by going for 'Palemaster/Dragon Disciple' build, but you can have a 'Dracolich Disciple' by going for Epic Spell Focus Necromancy to powerful summon undead, with Vampiric Feast acting as some kind of negative energy breath weapon, and the Dragon Disciple PRC.

Another way to do a 'Dracolich Disciple' could be perhaps through a 'Wizard/Palemaster' build - an individual that would have paid anything to ignite a drop of draconic blood within his veins only to discover that he could not regardless of the cost. A bittered individual that has not entirely given up those dreams of draconic might. Therefore, if he cannot achieve such a feat in life, then perhaps he could achieve it in death. He is now seeking lichdom and not just to turn his own body into that of an undead, but to take over the corpse of a real dragon. In a way such individual would be a 'Dracolich Disciple' in the purest sense of the term.

but yea no dracolich disciples

The " " emoticon, or smiley, is described as 'razz' on these forums. As a verb it means to deride, heckle, or tease. In a way I can understand how the above was taken as a 'harharhar' comment. You could say that I have some history of people taking some of my tongue in cheek comments way more seriously than I could have ever considered. Oh well, misunderstandings are part of life, and no need to get panties permanently twisted over nothing.

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*Longingly looks into the far distance...* "We used to be best buddies, and now were not, I wish you would get over losing the argument, and put away that silly quarterstaff, we could have so much fun, we could role-play like we used to, but you won't even see these words, I might just talk to a wall... Okay.... Bye."

*Coughs.* Okay, that above paragraph is bit a trolly of me... But what can I do?

[Tsidkenu]

Actually, you could thematically have a 'dracolich' disciple RPly in that all dracoliches still retain their original racial abilities, eg. a blue dragon dracolich is still a blue dragon, and someone could become a blue dragon disciple in its service accordingly.

As for whether it is (or should be) permitted mechanically?

[NegInfinity]

I know it is a big surprise on a RP server, however character have RP goals. Now a person may likely assume that a PC that is grafting undead body parts onto their bodies is working on becoming fully undead.

Huh? Are you having a bad day or something?

Normal immortality route is becoming a lich. Palemasters are usually characters who are obsessed with undead. You could of course RP a confused wizard that misunderstood the whole palemaster thing and thought it would make him/her immortal, if you want.

To become a lich, you'll need to work with DM team. I believe someone ascended to lichhood on the server in the past, though I forgot who exactly.

For actual immortality ther'es a faq there:
http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=1179.0

However, none of this stuff is available on bgtscc.

Actually, you could thematically have a 'dracolich' disciple RPly in that all dracoliches still retain their original racial abilities, eg. a blue dragon dracolich is still a blue dragon, and someone could become a blue dragon disciple in its service accordingly.

As for whether it is (or should be) permitted mechanically?

I think the right idea would be to contact dm team to have the biography approved.

[Maecius]

Just to be clear, there's nothing wrong with pursuing in character goals like lichdom or immortality. It's the easiest way to have "life after level 30" -- pursuing character goals that aren't based on mechanics.

Just know that if the goal cannot be mechanically attained -- yet would offer, in theory, huge mechanical or political powers -- it will usually result in the forced retirement of the character should it be achieved with DM support:

After all, we have had PCs turn into liches and the like in the past through DM-supported retirement campaigns, but the PC is no longer a PC at that point. They're an NPC, and the player loses all control over them afterwards. It's a "the end" moment for the character. Usually a happy ending, though, in the sense that the character achieved what they wanted.

[chad878262]

I believe someone ascended to lichhood on the server in the past, though I forgot who exactly.

Aelcar did it with Valshar in the Underdark. The player is no longer on the server, but the PC is still a quest giver (if it works again...been a while since I went to Sshamath).

[Zyx]

The smiley icon is this one: the one labeled lol is the one he used.

I understand jumping on to defend your friend, however in net rules LOL doesn't tend to be a helpful comment. Yay I want to join your guild lol (see what I did there)

I think this is perhaps due to the fact of: I been here for awhile syndrome. When people tend to be at place for awhile they tend to feel they are important. I have noticed this with underdark players in particular. I was in a party with one. The player's PC was killed, they sent me a PM with the message they were going to use their alt to make that other PCs life difficult in the future. This is not a one time occurrence.

Now we make snide remarks and act shocked that someone else is not going to accept it because your character is influential in a city on a video game or be civil. Or if not be civil at least own up being passive aggressive on a game forum.

tl;dr

This is a RP server and Maecius chimed in that people can have RP goals which are not bound by mechanics. This was achieved last yesterday through the life of this thread.

My temp alt Tardo Ultrdin (which recieved a random PM calling him reTardro) spent his day on one last quest before his retirement. He battled bravely, met new friends. Ended up bringing an elf maiden to be raised (by leaving her with two other elves), sat around the campfire debating the role of bards (To sing in taverns and run off with pretty ladies), walked to FAI and chatted with a monk about the world (darn kids punching things in the face now day instead of using a sword). Horrified an elf at the campfire (darn kids punching things in the face now days rather than stabbing them) while in the middle of explaining how his little girl 5 would be a great lady, his youngest son 7 was a lazy child though perhaps could become a wizard (and later a cleric) to help his crops grow.

So no, I had a great day yesterday and some fun random RP on a temp character.
(Though you will never hear it IC Leo the gem now turned into a necklace is a prized gift to Tardo's wife)

[Deathgrowl]

I think this is perhaps due to the fact of: I been here for awhile syndrome. When people tend to be at place for awhile they tend to feel they are important. I have noticed this with underdark players in particular. I was in a party with one. The player's PC was killed, they sent me a PM with the message they were going to use their alt to make that other PCs life difficult in the future. This is not a one time occurrence.

Screenshot and PM the DMs.

[Zyx]

I think this is perhaps due to the fact of: I been here for awhile syndrome. When people tend to be at place for awhile they tend to feel they are important. I have noticed this with underdark players in particular. I was in a party with one. The player's PC was killed, they sent me a PM with the message they were going to use their alt to make that other PCs life difficult in the future. This is not a one time occurrence.

Screenshot and PM the DMs.

I would have, yet pinned on this board is Maecius quote on human decency. So when staff jump into the ring and say things such as:

wow... imagine what would happen if someone was actually being disrespectful here...

I am more than willing to let staff settle their own problems. I personally wonder what purpose that could have had other than trolling. It was not adding to the conversation. It wasn't answering the questions on my forum. So to me the player in game was simply following some of the examples given by certain staff members.

A moderator may want to look into it.

[Deathgrowl]

mrm3ntalist was commenting on the fact that Blackman D never said or even indicated anything disrespectful in your direction. Blackman D just commented and opined on "dracolich disciple" being not quite acceptable by mechanical OR lore standards, and seems to have decided no further elaboration (which is what I am against my better judgment doing right now) was necessary.

I think you may be overreacting to Blackman D's post, Zyx. It was nothing but friendly.

Furthermore, DMs and QC are on different parts of staff. And regardless of that, someone openly admitting that they will go around griefing isn't something you ought to choose to apathetically not report and just have "staff settle their own problems". If one player says he or she is going to hound someone else OOCly, that's not staff's problems. It's the whole community's problem.

[Zyx]

mrm3ntalist was commenting on the fact that Blackman D never said or even indicated anything disrespectful in your direction. Blackman D just commented and opined on "dracolich disciple" being not quite acceptable by mechanical OR lore standards, and seems to have decided no further elaboration (which is what I am against my better judgment doing right now) was necessary.

I think you may be overreacting to Blackman D's post, Zyx. It was nothing but friendly.

Furthermore, DMs and QC are on different parts of staff. And regardless of that, someone openly admitting that they will go around griefing isn't something you ought to choose to apathetically not report and just have "staff settle their own problems". If one player says he or she is going to hound someone else OOCly, that's not staff's problems. It's the whole community's problem.

And I believe you are putting a rosy spin on things. We both have our opinions. Furthermore staff is staff. You can be the CEO or the lowest member of a company and you represent them. Now while you may wish for player participation and helping things. Well if you as a member of staff make me feel like it is not worth it. Then that is a community problem.

The short version is if you treat people badly, don't be surprise they don't help. This thread has some staffers behaving not nicely. Don't be surprised after kicking me in my teeth I am not going to clean up your house. You want a community that is active and help. The burden is on those with authority. Not those without. I mentioned this before in a deleted post.

[Rinzler]

I think we should chalk this debate up to language barriers. I don't think anyone meant any foul intent.

[Deathgrowl]

And I believe you are putting a rosy spin on things. We both have our opinions. Furthermore staff is staff. You can be the CEO or the lowest member of a company and you represent them. Now while you may wish for player participation and helping things. Well if you as a member of staff make me feel like it is not worth it. Then that is a community problem.

What you're effectively arguing here is that you should expect the police (the DMs, in this case) to know that a crime (some server rule breaking in this case) has happened without anyone reporting it. Or am I misunderstanding you?

And no, it isn't quite as simple as "staff is staff" here. QC has no representation of DM decisions. QC also only serves in an advisory capacity regarding mechanics and balance (and we are admittedly fairly respected in our expertise in that regard).

The short version is if you treat people badly, don't be surprise they don't help. This thread has some staffers behaving not nicely. Don't be surprised after kicking me in my teeth I am not going to clean up your house. You want a community that is active and help. The burden is on those with authority. Not those without. I mentioned this before in a deleted post.

QC has literally no authority. None.

[Blackman D]

I believe someone ascended to lichhood on the server in the past, though I forgot who exactly.

Aelcar did it with Valshar in the Underdark. The player is no longer on the server, but the PC is still a quest giver (if it works again...been a while since I went to Sshamath).

my old main is also a lich NPC in our guildhall still, but yea its been done

[mrm3ntalist]

I believe someone ascended to lichhood on the server in the past, though I forgot who exactly.

Aelcar did it with Valshar in the Underdark. The player is no longer on the server, but the PC is still a quest giver (if it works again...been a while since I went to Sshamath).

my old main is also a lich NPC in our guildhall still, but yea its been done

There were also characters that people thought were liched... but werent