Thaumaturge for warlocks.

[NegInfinity]

I think it would make sense to open up Thaumaturge to warlocks, meaning spellcasting/EB progression.

I believe it is actually possible to pick up the class as a warlock already, the thing is the progression won't be granted.

Also:

It might make sense to add a "summon cohort" ability to the class (1/day) that would act like planar binding (lesser, normal, or greater, depending on the caster level). This would accomodate for classes that do not get access to the summoning spells.

[Sun Wukong]

Spell Focus Conjuration doesn't really do much for Warlocks as far as I know, even their Dead Walk invocation is only improved by the Ability Focus - Invocations feat, according to the wiki page on Summoning. If Augment Summoning works with the Invocation, it makes more sense to get the feat rather than the Thaumathurge PRC.

Anyhow:

It might make sense to add a "summon cohort" ability to the class (1/day) that would act like planar binding (lesser, normal, or greater, depending on the caster level). This would accomodate for classes that do not get access to the summoning spells.

This could make getting all 5 levels of the PRC actually worth it for Bards and Rangers. (Both get minor summoning spells.)

[NegInfinity]

Spell Focus Conjuration doesn't really do much for Warlocks as far as I know, even their Dead Walk invocation is only improved by the Ability Focus - Invocations feat, according to the wiki page on Summoning. If Augment Summoning works with the Invocation, it makes more sense to get the feat rather than the Thaumathurge PRC.

Anyhow:

It might make sense to add a "summon cohort" ability to the class (1/day) that would act like planar binding (lesser, normal, or greater, depending on the caster level). This would accomodate for classes that do not get access to the summoning spells.

This could make getting all 5 levels of the PRC actually worth it for Bards and Rangers. (Both get minor summoning spells.)

There's "Lure Shadow Demons" spell warlocks get as an invocation. This is a bgtscc-specific thing. There might be a few more of those.

[Sun Wukong]

What does that work with though? Ability focus invocations? Spell Focus Conjuration/Necromancy?

[Valefort]

Lure shadow demons works with conjuration feats.

[NegInfinity]

What does that work with though? Ability focus invocations? Spell Focus Conjuration/Necromancy?

It is an invocation that works as a conjuration spell with the same name. So it uses the same feats.

Warlocks also have access to epic gate. Which is Conjuration: Calling.

Regarding bards... this would need to be considered by Qc.

Basically, the reason why I proposed a 1/day summoning feat is because thaumaturge technically gets himself an outsider buddy via bargaining, which means he might not even NEED to spam planar ally/planar bindig anymore, and bgtscc version is already different from the original anyway.

However, someone should consider if opening up the whole range of planar bindings to a class like bard is a good idea or not. I'm not sure which will be a good approach here.

[Planehopper]

It works via scrolls. While a daily casting feat would be more convenient, bards (or warlock, etc) can use a scroll to summon their cohort currently.

[NegInfinity]

It works via scrolls. While a daily casting feat would be more convenient, bards (or warlock, etc) can use a scroll to summon their cohort currently.

I know, but currently warlocks do not get spellcasting/EB progression as thaumaturges, even though they can qualify for the class.

That's the problem.

[Lockonnow]

so how about make it work?

[Lockonnow]

why not make the Lure shadow demons spell lure outsider so it can use to not only summon demons but others good outsiders or anything eles dose it allways thing we have to be playing with demons and devils?

[Max Hatchet]

I think it would make sense to remove Thaumaturge completely so they dont clog up dungeon corridors with all their damned summons

[Lockonnow]

Max Hatchet there is a way for that it call Dismisasl or Banishment

[Max Hatchet]

Max Hatchet there is a way for that it call Dismisasl or Banishment

[kitteninablender]

How about this:

Lure Shadow Demons is changed and becomes the Invocation "Bind Planar Cohort." You get the Planar Cohort feat granted by Thaumaturge whenever you cast the invocation, the same way you're granted Darkvision by casting the invocation "See the Unseen.

Planar Cohort takes 3 rounds to summon, and gains benefits from Ability Focus: Invocations the same as if you had taken Greater Spell Focus (Conjuration).

The Cohort chosen must be one of the selectable Shapes from the Invocation Word of Changing, and is dependent upon your alignment:

Chaotic Good: Solar or Ghaele Eladrin
Chaotic Neutral: Gibbering Mouther
Lawful Evil: Cornugon or Erinyes
Neutral Evil: Yugoloth
Chaotic Evil: Hezrou or Goristro

Because the list is a limited list the Planar Cohort, when summoned, is also under the effects of a Shield Other spell, which protects the summoning Warlock. If it dies or is banished the Warlock takes 10d10 points of damage as the link between the two is violently severed, and you cannot summon the Cohort again until you rest, but otherwise the Cohort is permanent until dismissed (Or upon rest.)