The donation box, and reducing item value to 0

[NeOmega]

so it would be nice if the donation box reduced any items inserted to zero. I would donate some nice noob gear, except that ive had enough experiences here to know anything i put in there would be in the merchants inventory within an hour.

i know items can be reduced to 0 gold value because it happens to cursed items when the curse is lifted.

but to further the suggestion, id say put a few donation boxes around that reduce items to zero, and here is why:

quite a few times i set up some things in low level areas. id kill alts to leave their bodies, and leave gear strewn about, or under a pile of skulls hidden somewhere, always with a journal or something...

...out of the five or so times, only once did it work, and it was a ton of effort. Why? because some dork would always come along, scoop everything up and sell it in a store an hour later.

so if items could be reduced to zero value, (and marked as "no value") these things would be easier to not have destroyed by the clueless.

[ValerieJean]

But could it not be said that those who find the gear or whatever you have laid about hidden in the hope a noobie would find, that they can choose what be done with it? A finders keepers mentality so to speak even if your intentions are good. A bandit walking by would not either make it his own or sell it to gain something else. IMO.

I understand the OOC meaning behind it but I do not see the need for putting a value to 0, when yes intentions may be for the noob but ICly wise to me, certain alignments would look into it and see if there was anything of merit as well for them. Be it in the way of selling or wearing.

[Aspect of Sorrow]

Value = (ItemDonationVarTimestamp < (Today - 30days) ) ? RealValue : 0 ;

[NeOmega]

But could it not be said that those who find the gear or whatever you have laid about hidden in the hope a noobie would find, that they can choose what be done with it? A finders keepers mentality so to speak even if your intentions are good. A bandit walking by would not either make it his own or sell it to gain something else. IMO.

I understand the OOC meaning behind it but I do not see the need for putting a value to 0, when yes intentions may be for the noob but ICly wise to me, certain alignments would look into it and see if there was anything of merit as well for them. Be it in the way of selling or wearing.

Maybe the merchant standing right next to the bin would be like, "hey cool, yeah, I'll pay you for what I saw you just swipe from the donation bin"

I would think rummaging through it, and then selling it to the merchant standing next to it would be akin to godmodding.

[ValerieJean]

Unfortunately I do not have access to that NPCs alignment specifically I imagine it is Neutral in some fashion. It could be said one or a friend is speaking with him as a 'distraction' and then with sleight of hand grab some items. (Now I am envisioning swiping armor and just laughing) but that's not my point), though he could be facing away towards your friend to make that easier.

Either way, as AoS said it can be done. OOCly I see why, ICly perhaps not, thieves steal from places of donation all the time.

[Zanniej]

Value = (ItemDonationVarTimestamp < (Today - 30days) ) ? RealValue : 0 ;

So, the item get's a timestamp the moment it get's put in the donation box. The moment you take it out, it get's a value of 0, until it's been out of the donation box for 30 days.

It's a pretty OOC measure to prevent people from just selling everything in the donation box, or at least to make it harder for them (who goes walking around with loads of gear just to sell it after 30 days!? )

If we want to do something bout this, then I think AoS' suggestion is a pretty sound one.

[NeOmega]

Unfortunately I do not have access to that NPCs alignment specifically I imagine it is Neutral in some fashion. It could be said one or a friend is speaking with him as a 'distraction' and then with sleight of hand grab some items. (Now I am envisioning swiping armor and just laughing) but that's not my point), though he could be facing away towards your friend to make that easier.

Either way, as AoS said it can be done. OOCly I see why, ICly perhaps not, thieves steal from places of donation all the time.

i guarantee you, most people who would swipe and sell are not doing so IC. they are just one of the many classless buffoons that run around the server.

furthermore, the merchant would notice items of higher value in the donation box and take note. i work in an industry where i remember almost every item that comes across me. i have a jewelry store manager friend that knows every piece in his store.

and thieves can steal, but they would not be able to sell it to the merchant who has surely looked through the box on downtime. Its god-modding, and like i said, i guarantee most of the time its just some mindless power-grinder scraping every coin they can.

[Brother Bruce]

Move donation box, 'problem' solved. I've never used the box but if you've given the item up, where it ends up shouldn't matter. Hell, what if the other guy needed the gold to buy supplies more than the junk you're leaving behind? You're making an issue out of nothing. A metagaming problem? Gonna crack down on everyone repeating quests, looting chests that restock every 6 hours, etc, etc? Come on now, there are certainly better things to get upset about.

[Aspect of Sorrow]

Found the guy profiteering.

[NeOmega]

Move donation box, 'problem' solved. I've never used the box but if you've given the item up, where it ends up shouldn't matter. Hell, what if the other guy needed the gold to buy supplies more than the junk you're leaving behind? You're making an issue out of nothing. A metagaming problem? Gonna crack down on everyone repeating quests, looting chests that restock every 6 hours, etc, etc? Come on now, there are certainly better things to get upset about.

Im not upset about anything.
But I'm not going to donate, say items with wizard1 spell slots on them to the donation box if some dork is just going to grab them and sell them, and way they go down the memory hole 20 minutes later when the clean-up script is run.

I'll just take the 200 coin myself. No need to fund a metagaming paladin who somehow has convinced himself "borrowing" from the donation box is for the greater good.

I mean, the fact of the matter is, IF I knew EVERYBODY actually played in character, and that maybe someone playing as a thief stole the locket and sold it, I'd be cool with it. HOWEVER, I happen to know at least half of the people on this server, if not more really do not stay in character because reasons when gold or XP is involved.

FURTHERMORE, the donation box will be nothing but shoes usable by neutral only and lesser orbs of acid scrolls, unless people know that the items they put in would find good use for noobs/lowbies. NOT only is this OOC consideration for those donating, but most IC would not donate to a chest, knowing that the only people using it are thieves who loot it and sell it.

[Planehopper]

So do it in character. Otherwise it is just OOC sillyness, and at that point who cares where it ends up?

[NeOmega]

So do it in character. Otherwise it is just OOC sillyness, and at that point who cares where it ends up?

People who don't care, wouldn't donate anyway. They didnt drag it through a dungeon just to throw it in the fail box so somebody else can sell it. That is why currently there is only 0 value items in there.

Furthermore, I do play lowbies and level 1's often, so it would be nice if there were goodies in there that were usable. However, if the box is just going to be pilfered and used for trash it's whole concept and usefulness is void. It might as well just not exist.

So once again, we would not be able to have nice things because of what is really OOC actions by players.

[Planehopper]

The Order of Lion's main purpose, when we established it, was to provide training and gear for new and/or struggling characters. We handed off those random pieces of gear in character. If someone, in character, took advantage of the generosity and sold the items, that would be legit, no?

So if you do something OOC, by placing your things in the free bin, and someone else does something OOC, by selling them, that seems legit to me. Sketchy/Shady, sure, but if you dont like it, do it in character. That's all I am sayin.

[NeOmega]

The Order of Lion's main purpose, when we established it, was to provide training and gear for new and/or struggling characters. We handed off those random pieces of gear in character. If someone, in character, took advantage of the generosity and sold the items, that would be legit, no?

Sure.

So if you do something OOC,

Who said I would be donating OOC? My Banite would never donate anything.

Basically, it's like this, would somebody donate a mithral full plate, to the bin, knowing the server was going to reset in 3 minutes?

It's the same thing, the donation bin isnt going to work if three isnt some mechanism to stop metagaming. The last thing I want to do is reward people who are OOC and just messing things up.

[Planehopper]

You are placing magical items into a trash can near a merchant in character?

Even if you are..

Then what is to stop someone from finding a magical item in a trashcan in character, and doing with it what they will?

You seem to be arguing that you ARENT doing it IC, because you are asking for an OOC solution/fix.