Crusader Holy Sword

[Kaybrie]

The Crusader's Holy Sword spell like ability is a single use between rests ability, rather then a 10 minute cooldown ability. You still get the 10 minute cooldown, but once it's done you still don't get any uses of Holysword after that until you rest.

[Lockonnow]

so you say what is the point right?

[Kaybrie]

Not at all, from the description I read that it was a use as many times as you like ability with a 10 minute cooldown between uses. That is not how it is functioning in game, so I figured I'd write a report.

[Valefort]

Oops, ty.

[Theodore01]

What is a Crusader - a new class/kit ?

[Valefort]

https://wiki.bgtscc.net/index.php?title ... Class_Kit)

Here is the wiki link, forgot to make it.

[Theodore01]

thxs - that's the 'working' link https://wiki.bgtscc.net/index.php?title ... Class_Kit)

[Theodore01]

and the Crusader keeps all his other Paladin goddies - Divine grace, Lay on hands, Aura of Courage, Divine health,Turn undead, Smite evil...

and can get EDM and Divine shield on top of a permanent Holy Sword ?

[Valefort]

Yes.

[PiaMango]

At level 29 a crusader gains permanent holy sword (Cooldownless SLA).

Is it intended to be a permanent self duration or cooldownless sla a 3min duration?

If it is the first case it would be a big quality of life improvement to instead of making it cooldownless make the duration 1min/cl and keep the 10min cooldown. The downside to this is if the crusader wants to change weapons, however that is unlikely since they specialize in a particular weapon.

As I understand the feat is currently in the second case which would enable the crusader to cast holy sword on his allies at no cost, however will require refreshing every 3 minutes.

[Kaybrie]

At level 29 a crusader gains permanent holy sword (Cooldownless SLA).

Is it intended to be a permanent self duration or cooldownless sla a 3min duration?

If it is the first case it would be a big quality of life improvement to instead of making it cooldownless make the duration 1min/cl and keep the 10min cooldown. The downside to this is if the crusader wants to change weapons, however that is unlikely since they specialize in a particular weapon.

As I understand the feat is currently in the second case which would enable the crusader to cast holy sword on his allies at no cost, however will require refreshing every 3 minutes.

The ability is self-cast only, or at least I've never been allowed to select a target.

Otherwise I agree, crusader feels like an attempt to set itself apart from paladin by not being as 'buff spam'y, but remains bolted down by the three main offenders that all paladins are married to; Divine Might, Divine Shield, and Holysword. All of which suffer immensely from the 12 seconds you spend casting the other two.

I wish there were a quality of life update to make at least divine might and shield instant cast, or give an instant-cast equivalent abilities to paladin specifically, since as I understand it the staff has rejected the notion before on the basis that Favored Soul shouldn't be buffed any more then it already is.

Alas, I'm just rambling. Mostly wanted to point out that Holysword is self-cast only.

[RedLancer]

Bumping to confirm that the Crusader Holy Sword ability is currently usable only once per rest.

[Steve]

Does the Weapon Defense shield AC stack with a shield? As in, using a Tower Shield would be total +10 AC (4 shield +6 WD)?

Essentially, Weapon Defense would be “magic” of Divine nature, though undispellable.

[Steve]

I also want to say, getting Holy Sword at lvl 14 gives 1 minute 24 seconds of Holy Sword, then 10 minutes cool down. Even at character level 29—just before the golden egg—that’s 2 minutes 54 seconds then 10 minutes cool down.

Isn’t 10 minutes of cooldown a bit...long?

Also, would Holy Sword use reset on Rest? Because isn’t the Rest Timer for a level 14 less than 10 minutes?!?

If the cooldown timer cant/shouldn’t be reduced by half, then consider redoing the Holy Sword so it progresses with Level Up, such as

Lvl 14–20: +3 EB, 1d4
Lvl 21–25: +4 EB, 1d6
Lvl 26–30: +5 EB, 2d6

And with no Cooldown!

[Kaybrie]

You need to pick a two handed weapon to get the shield bonus, I'm not sure if it still applies if you use monkey grip to get a shield in your offhand. Would be willing to test this, but I'd rather not base a build on it if it doesn't actually apply. There's nothing in the description that suggests you can't use a shield with monkey grip.

Also Steve, the level 29 version is supposed to have no cooldown, the level 14 with a cooldown version is pretty okay, gives it to you whenever you NEED it, but can't just spam it. On paper anyways, right now it's just one use.