The Anti PVP fanclub

[Thayvian]

Because honestly PVP has no place on an RP server

list your name here if you want PVP from the server permanently and role play instead.

Or whatever .. I honestly don't care. When you see the staggering list of people that clearly have no real interest in roleplay but want to just kill each other with there level 30 tunes.

Hell you could even just make a MULTIPLAYER gladiatorial ring instead.

Who knew that this was a PVP server instead of an RP sever. My mistake. I was under the impression that I wanted roleplaying not an excuse to beat the crap out of level 1s

[taintedseraphim]

Sorry I am in full disagreement with the no pvp statement. PvP, when ooc egos aren't involved, can add so many new dimensions to rp. Example? Rania got the everloving hells stomped out of her by Jys Devlin back when she was new. From that one time pvp, Rania met several new characters she wouldn't have otherwise likely met, and still has rp due to it.

[Thayvian]

Sign me up, my username is Wirg.

LOLZ nice

[AC81]

PvP, when done well, enhances RP. It is a natural conclusion to conflict RP. You don't want PvP, then take the RP out everytime.

[Aspect of Sorrow]

Who knew that this was a PVP server instead of an RP sever. My mistake. I was under the impression that I wanted roleplaying not an excuse to beat the crap out of level 1s

You're welcome to find another server that suits you.

[Thayvian]

Who knew that this was a PVP server instead of an RP sever. My mistake. I was under the impression that I wanted roleplaying not an excuse to beat the crap out of level 1s

You're welcome to find another server that suits you.

I'm sorry but your PVP fan club will unbalance the whole sever. What happens when your PVP build wants to be agressive to a none PVP build. It's a clear power gaming advantage. That can easily be used in game to abuse game mechanics and players in so many ways.

And you're more than welcome to aslo find a PVP sever.. I can be that way to.. Clearly you have no interest in an RP server.

Or care at all that your PVP builds will ruin the experience for anyone not using PVP builds. And don't try to tell me that people wont use there Builds as an excuse to take advantage of other players. Because I've already seen it. I guess your group is advocating powering. I'm entirely against power gaming.

Can you honestly not see how this can easily Screw other players ?

Can we get DM intervention on this whole PVP thing. Like come one what these people are asking is powergaming and Min Maxing . I'm pretty sure it's breaking a rule somewhere.

[Kaybrie]

I'm not even sure if Thayvian is serious or acting out the part of a parody at this point.

[Korchas]

I would assume it can not be meant seriously anymore, as the PVP Fanclub he is actively campaigning against has an explicit rule that any PvP of that fanclub that follows their rules be applied only to club members.
Yet somehow, that unbalances the server and enforces PvP on non-members...?

[Aspect of Sorrow]

And you're more than welcome to aslo find a PVP sever.. I can be that way to.. Clearly you have no interest in an RP server.

I cofounded this server, coming from a NWN1 arena server.

[Maecius]

We are an RP server, so our focus is on storytelling -- but most stories have conflict. As a result, we do allow PVP here.

That being said, ours is a "PVP consent" server. If you'd prefer not to PVP, you should always be permitted the option to bow out of it. Usually this means taking the RP out (retreating, shutting up when told gruffly to do so, etc.). But talking with the "aggressor" in Tells and making it clear to them that you'd prefer to avoid PVP will usually result in them leaving you alone too.

Nobody's hear to give anyone else a bad day.

The relevant part of the PVP rules, for taking an RP out (or avoiding PVP):

- This is a "PvP consent" server, and thus all PvP is done with the consent of all parties involved. Always allow a player to roleplay out of the situation before engaging in PvP unless they have already given clear consent beforehand.

• When initiating PvP, the aggressor has to RP to show clear hostility, or intent to PvP, before attacking. This gives the other player a chance to react in-character to defuse the situation (the "RP out"), if they wish to (or they can simply attack).

• • RP "outs" are not determined by the aggressor. Aggressor-determined "outs" include anything that has the aggressor decide the manner of "out" the other party must comply to in order to avoid PvP, such as "X or die" demands. It is the challenged party's role to employ an appropriate RP "out" that does not escalate further hostilities (bargaining, walking away, etc.), and demonstrating hostility or hostile intent in the "out" will render it invalid and the aggressor may engage.

• If PvP has not commenced yet, third parties (e.g. bystanders, friends, bodyguards) are considered to be the aggressor and must clearly RP hostility and accept an "RP out", if any, before attacking. Once PvP starts, third parties already in the same map can engage without preliminaries.

- Certain actions can indicate hostile intent and a valid consent to PvP. This includes casting spells, drawing weapons, resting, or using stealth mode (such as Hide in Plain Sight) during hostilities; or pickpocketing or performing a suspicious action towards another character. To prevent this, do not do these actions at all, or clearly and truthfully indicate that the action is done for non-hostile purposes (such as leaving the area).

• A character who continuously provokes, slanders, bullies, or offends another character is considered to have consented to PvP with that other character. The offended character is not required to give an RP out before engaging in PvP with the aggressor, as long as the attack occurs during the offending.
• If you commit an IC crime either within city limits or in front of witnesses, you are considered to have consented to PvP for the players who have witnessed or been a victim of the crime, and no RP out is required.

Please let us know if there are any questions about these rules!

[Thayvian]

And you're more than welcome to aslo find a PVP sever.. I can be that way to.. Clearly you have no interest in an RP server.

I cofounded this server, coming from a NWN1 arena server.

Yeah I can see why you love PVP than. But why do you ignore the rest of the player base and openly insult them when they Don't want it?

Clearly there are players that don't want PVP and don't want to be taken advantage of by power game built characters.

Yet time and time and time again you all collectively insult them and shoot them down?
Over and over and over and over. You ignore players asking for this crap to stop. My understanding this behavior has happened for years. And it's obviously coming to head.

D&D is a game based around friends working together in a party. Not kill each other in munchkins game.

It's like that one kid in your D&D group that always min maxes and tries to kill party members.

Yeah maybe I did pick the wrong server.. Who knew that I don't want to be insulted for not wanting to have a PVP dominated server.

[Aspect of Sorrow]

Perhaps perspectives could be broadened for us both.

[Young Werther]

I've had 4 "real" pvp encounters that weren't in an arena type setting. That's in roughly 5 years on this server. I could have avoided all of them...

[Thayvian]

Perhaps perspectives could be broadened for us both.

okay.. sounds fair.

[Thayvian]

I'm not even sure if Thayvian is serious or acting out the part of a parody at this point.

this is the thing I'm talking about right here. For years people have been bringing up issues like power gaming. PVP aggressive players. And every time it ends in heated debate.

It all seems exhausting for the DMs. I'm sure increased interest in PVP won't give the dms headaches at all.


Yeah maybe you don't see pvp maybe you only exclusivly play good or non evil characters who knows. Maybe you can hide your evil status. Maybe your logging in a differing times when there are dms around. Maybe not.

But honestly I've seen many many complaints over the years about this just being shunned. Or out right ostracized.

The collective get's challenged and you guys just call them a liar. "My game experiences are different I don't see you must be joking." While you ignore the people talking about it.

I mean why.. What's so bad about people not wanting to have there character ripped to shreds by a power gamer with a thin excuse for PVP in game.

And again Don't tell me it does not happen I am more than willing to dig up the posts I've seen.

I don't mind debate but it's unfair when It's gets insulting because your not going along with the grain of the group.

Other people matter even when they disagree with you it still makes them people weather it's politics, favorite food or preferences for the kind of sever they want.

All the posts I read these people have Legitimate concerns. That are stomped on and called trolling. But none of you respect their view points. At all.

It honestly makes me consider why these people look hostile when the group turns on them.

It's like a mob.

PVP ruins Role playing thats all they are trying to say. Allowing PVP takes away from Great RP. The character Build section of the forum is great indication of why.

And I do stress that players have been brushed off for years.

What level of Fairness will the DMs impliment to make sure this PVP fan club does not have a clear and outrages advantage over other players which can be easily used to leverage IC advantages.

And don't brush me off or tell me I'm trolling. I've seen it on many many many severs including this one. And first hand.

You're not listening to a large section of your player base.

You like to claim it's an RP server but SO little is done enforce that. But as soon as someone points it out... BOOOM dox that guy ...