Coming Soon: Discussion Thread (2017)

[Sun Wukong]

Possible Augment Form icon, it is just a combination of Spell Focus and Transmutation spell school icons. Currently it is in '.png' format, so someone needs to open up the image in an image manipulation software such as Gimp or Photoshop and save it into '.tga' format.

(Time to make, 13 seconds.)

[Nachti]

But how does the BAB actually change? I imagine a Sorcerer 20' would have 15 BAB. I imagine a 'Sorcerer 10/Arcane Scholar 10' would have 15 BAB. But would a 'Sorcerer 10/Eldritch Knight 10' have 15 or 17 BAB with the above feat?

Iam not sure yet how exactly I script it. Finished the forms from the first page and tommorow I will do the script improvements. And then I will see how much time until the next update goes live.

Oh, and does the Tenser's Transformation spell work with monk's AC, etc, and does it get the +1/+2/+4/+1 AC from Spell Focus Transmuation feats?

Once iam done, monk ac wont work with tenser.

Possible Augment Form icon

Good. Iam looking for one who makes me icons for all the forms (displayed at the shapechange menu). Size doesnt matter, it will scale down.

[Nachti]

Alright, so the whole Master of Form part is gone for good?

Yep its gone.

I was wondering why Shapechange has no Elemental forms?

Probably to make shapechange different from druid's abilities.

There are so many other nice shapes I can use for shapechange.

[Nachti]

But how does the BAB actually change? I imagine a Sorcerer 20' would have 15 BAB. I imagine a 'Sorcerer 10/Arcane Scholar 10' would have 15 BAB. But would a 'Sorcerer 10/Eldritch Knight 10' have 15 or 17 BAB with the above feat?

Iam not sure yet how exactly I script it. Finished the forms from the first page and tommorow I will do the script improvements. And then I will see how much time until the next update goes live.

I think I will count the low bab classes and then give a bonus to BAB. So a wizard/archmage/eldritch knight still benefits from high BAB of its ek class.

[Sun Wukong]

Polymorph:

• Kobold
• Goblin
• Gnoll
• Orc
• Troglodyte
• Minotaur
• Troll
• Ogre
• Yeti
• Gargoyle
• Gloura
• Drider
• Kenku
• Human
• Elf
• Dwarf
• Drow
• Duergar
• Sahuagin
• Hook Horror
• Worg

Shapechange:

• Hill Giant
• Fire Giant
• Frost Giant
• Maur (Hunched Giant)
• Werewolf Lord
• Mind Flayer
• Golem
• Red Dragon
• Black Dragon
• Blue Dragon
• Bronze Dragon
• Mist Dragon
• Nightwalker
• Hydra
• Cornugon (Horned Devil)
• Bebilith (Spider Demon)
• Slaad

[Sun Wukong]

But how does the BAB actually change? I imagine a Sorcerer 20' would have 15 BAB. I imagine a 'Sorcerer 10/Arcane Scholar 10' would have 15 BAB. But would a 'Sorcerer 10/Eldritch Knight 10' have 15 or 17 BAB with the above feat?

Iam not sure yet how exactly I script it. Finished the forms from the first page and tommorow I will do the script improvements. And then I will see how much time until the next update goes live.

I think I will count the low bab classes and then give a bonus to BAB. So a wizard/archmage/eldritch knight still benefits from high BAB of its ek class.

Alright, and it will actually also benefit the Spirit Shaman/Bard/Storm Singer/Frostmages too. (Scroll up for a more relevant post.)

[Hawke]

If we are going to be bringing in outsider forms, then possibly some of the neutral and good forms should be thought about too?

Dragon Shapes I am not sure about. That is a druid thing. Maybe non chromatic dragons like the Mist Dragon and others would be alright I would think, if it is possible.

So we are now adding another feat to Shapechanging spells? Not sure how I feel about burning another feat for a non PRC deal. Already doing 2 feat 1 epic to get the +5AB, etc... now another feat to bring BAB to medium? Seems steep. Plus Archmage to extend the spell longer?

Total number of feats to be a specialist polymorpher, 5 Feats +1 Epic feat.

2 - Spell Focus Transmutation
1 - Spell focus any
1 - Skill Focus Spellcraft
1 - Augment Form
1 - Epic Spell focus Transmutation


I think we are getting a little complicated here, don't you?

Plus you are losing up to 5 spells when you go the archmage route.

[Sun Wukong]

If I am not mistaken, with the current iteration the spell focus feats only grant extra AC. Thus, you can just get spell focus Transmutation and the Augment Form. Oh, and there is no archmage feat to extend the duration.

Also, the first post has been updated: viewtopic.php?f=496&t=63229

[Diamore]

I don't suppose there's any chance of keeping that idea for the druid option for Hierophants in? The idea of improving my Body of the Sun and Storm Avatar spells made me want to dust off my druid again.

[Sun Wukong]

I suppose it would mean extended Storm Avatars would not compete with the casts of Shapechange, or Storms of Vengeance.

[Hawke]

Oh so no duration increase from archmage anymore?

[Nachti]

yes. shapechange is back to 1min/level, so no extension is needed.

[Nachti]

Chances are good that it goes live this week.

Keep in mind that balancing changes will still occur and new forms might be added aswell.

[Hawke]

Natchi I love you and hate you!

Now I have to start all over again with another character, even after I raised another one to level 18 last weekend at my GF place (no computer with me right now).

[Nachti]

Submitted the update, everything is now in AoS hands.

Future Update:
- Balancing/ QC review.
- Spellslot loss fix. Wasnt able to fix it in time.
- More forms such as astral deva, moondog, hezrou, palrethee, erinye, skeleton, zombie.
- No equipped weapon = no weapon equipped in another form (RP feature).
- Baleful Polymorph, Mass Chicken = No Item drop Fix.
- Tensers.