Make gmw work on ranged weapons?

[Laughingman]

Would making greater magic weapon work on bows and xbows be possible? Would it break game balance or something?

[Blackman D]

probably not particularly, it is suppose to work by the spells rules but for whatever reason it doesnt

EB bows/xbows were added a while ago to address the lack of damage they generated so atm the strongest you can get is probably a +4 EB on an AA whos +5 arrows stack with everything

but the way they were designed the launcher, bow/xbow, has the +AB and arrows have the +damage, so if you had a +4 AB bow and +4 arrows you technically had a +4 EB bow, and no the +damage arrows do not stack with EB bows, but of course the EB bows make it so you can use elemental arrows and still get a bonus

it would likely just need its own spell tho, like how blessed aim was added for range weapons, would need a magic range weapon and greater magic range weapon spell done

[Tantive]

In pnp you should be able to enchant ammunition up to 50. Which makes enchanted bowing a thing.

[izzul]

situation 1 - Total BAB of a toon is 20 and it deals 20 damage(no additional extras)

situation 2 - Total BAB of a toon is 15 and it deals 15 damage
- with 9 lvl AA with +5 EB
- so now Total AB is 20

Question
1.in situation 2, will the toon deal 15 damage still or will it deal 20 damage?(want to know if AA damage increases the extra +5)

1.1.in Question 1, if the 5 damage is added, during criticalx3 will it become 15 damage extra?

2.is it worth taking 9 lvls of AA for extra 5 damage and 15 critical damage if the 5 damage is added?

[Hawke]

I don't see a real reason why bows cannot be subject to GMW since we cannot enchant arrows/bolts/bullets here in game like PnP.

But I don't know how game breaking that can be as I dont do archers.

I will admit, I wish I could use ranged on my wizards with a +4 or +5 EB xbow. Make things a little safer and lets me have a better chance to hit something.

[Blackman D]

Question
1.in situation 2, will the toon deal 15 damage still or will it deal 20 damage?(want to know if AA damage increases the extra +5)

BAB is irrelevant for damage it only makes it easier to hit, but again AA stacks with everything, so if you have a +4 EB bow and 9 AA you have a +9 EB bonus, so yea if you are an archer and an elf, AA is a good option if you can fit it

but it wouldnt break anything since normal bows would only become +5 EB, AA would gain +1 and thats about it

[Laughingman]

Anyone here who knows how to make such changes *cough Rasael cough Valefort cough* know if it is something that can be done? No point in discussing it if it cannot be done with a reasonable amount of effort.

Anyone here who actually plays archers know if this would be OP or something?

[Tsidkenu]

No need. Archers are fine in the DPS & AB departments.

[izzul]

Question
1.in situation 2, will the toon deal 15 damage still or will it deal 20 damage?(want to know if AA damage increases the extra +5)

BAB is irrelevant for damage it only makes it easier to hit, but again AA stacks with everything, so if you have a +4 EB bow and 9 AA you have a +9 EB bonus, so yea if you are an archer and an elf, AA is a good option if you can fit it

but it wouldnt break anything since normal bows would only become +5 EB, AA would gain +1 and thats about it

so the toon will deal 16 damage? sorry im a slow learner here.

[NegInfinity]

In pnp you should be able to enchant ammunition up to 50. Which makes enchanted bowing a thing.

Enchanting ammunition would be cool.

[Blackman D]

Question
1.in situation 2, will the toon deal 15 damage still or will it deal 20 damage?(want to know if AA damage increases the extra +5)

BAB is irrelevant for damage it only makes it easier to hit, but again AA stacks with everything, so if you have a +4 EB bow and 9 AA you have a +9 EB bonus, so yea if you are an archer and an elf, AA is a good option if you can fit it

but it wouldnt break anything since normal bows would only become +5 EB, AA would gain +1 and thats about it

so the toon will deal 16 damage? sorry im a slow learner here.

so say your BAB is a 20 and you have a +4 EB longbow and 9 levels of AA for +5 arrows, your AB (ignoring everything else like dex etc) will be +29

if its a normal longbow that does 1d8 base damage and you are using normal arrow ammo then your damage (ignoring everything else like feats etc) is 1d8 +4 (bow EB) +5 (AA EB) for 1d8+9 (10-17 dmg per hit)

EB, enhancement bonus, gives bonus to both attack and damage but BAB, base attack bonus, is only for attack

[Blackman D]

No need. Archers are fine in the DPS & AB departments.

thats not the point tho, the AB/dmg gained from GMW is only a +1 so it changes little but allows casters or AAs that actually have caster levels to cheap out on bows

adding it will do next to nothing since its not going to stack with anything but AA

not adding it is also not that huge of a deal tho since bows with unlimited basic ammo are well worth the investment for grinding an saving inventory space

[Lockonnow]

how about make the spell only +3 on bows

[Thorsson]

Come on, it works for ranged gishes. It's bound to get done.

[NegInfinity]

No need. Archers are fine in the DPS & AB departments.

thats not the point tho, the AB/dmg gained from GMW is only a +1 so it changes little but allows casters or AAs that actually have caster levels to cheap out on bows

adding it will do next to nothing since its not going to stack with anything but AA

not adding it is also not that huge of a deal tho since bows with unlimited basic ammo are well worth the investment for grinding an saving inventory space

Adding GMW or ammunition enchanting on ammo would encourage archer gishes because it would reduce ammunition costs. +3 ammo costs a ton and can't be crafted.