Disciple of Tiamat

[PhantomLamb]

http://nwn2db.com/build/?285982

I was reading some lore about a cult of Tiamat from last year and got inspired. What do you think? FotF seems like a shoehorn and weakens the overall build, which would be stronger with just three classes, but I wanted to try something with the claw and bite attacks. Think it'll be way too low on the damage output? If so, I may ditch it and go for EDM.

[Sun Wukong]

The build itself would not work because you need 13 levels of Bard to get those 5th level spells. You need to drop either Fist of the Forest or Blackguard.

Thus... a Bard 17/Fist of the Forest 3/Dragon Disciple 10 would come with the BAB of 20...

I think you would get better mileage out of some kind of: Sorcerer 8/Blood Magus 9/Blackguard 3/Dragon Disciple 10 that makes use of the Augment Form feat with Polymorph Self and Shapechange spells.


But if you want to make an unarmed character with levels of Dragon Disciple... Bard 23/Fist of the Forset 3/Dragon Disciple 4 might be your best bet. It has BAB of 22.

[PhantomLamb]

Hm, well, claws were more of an afterthought. I liked the CHA synergy with BG. To tell the truth, Blood Magus scares me a bit because it seems more complicated for a newb like me.

You did open the door to some kind of dragon shape though, so going Sorcerer would be intriguing.

A simpler alternative may be Bard/BG/DD/EK and just go heavy melee. Or, strip it down to 26 Bard/4 BG and focus on EDM.

[Sun Wukong]

Blood Magus is not that difficult.

You turn on Blood Component, and get +1 caster level at some HP damage per spell cast.

You turn on Blood Seeking Spell, and get additional +2 caster levels at some HP damage per spell cast. Blood Seeking Spell can trigger PvP... but if you are in a party, you rarely need the extra caster levels anyhow, and as a Dragon Disciple, you could just say that there is Draconic power in your own blood and so on... And lets face it, it is not like being in strange form could not trigger PvP... So it is what it is.

As for Scarification and Blood Draught, these two cost gold so those can be largely ignored until you have a lot of gold to spare.

Thus for a large part Blood Magus is not much different to a typical Sorcerer build.

[PhantomLamb]

Option 1: Stripped down EDM build
http://nwn2db.com/builder/?id=285982

Option 2: Shapechanger build
http://nwn2db.com/build/?286025
I really like the idea of using Shapechange for the dragon form. However, if this is the only "dragon" item in my arsenal, maybe it's not worth it. Doesn't seem like the other poly forms go down draconic roads, do they?

[Sun Wukong]

Option 1: Stripped down EDM build
http://nwn2db.com/builder/?id=285982

This one could drop Spellcasting Prodigy as a feat. You are not a DC caster, so the +1 spell DCs is worthless to you. Thus you can push Extend Spell, Curse Song, or Lingering Song earlier, I would get Curse Song at level one since it is handy regardless. The extra epic feat could go to either Great Strength or Great Charisma. I would put it to Great Charisma to get more Epic Divine Might damage, extra saves, and Divine Shield AC. You have two spells that both give you +4 Charisma. Moreover, I would drop constitution to 13 and raise dexterity to 13. This way you can make use of Belt of Growth for +3 STR & CON, and some random +3 dexterity item to get most out of Mithral Fullplate.

Option 2: Shapechanger build
http://nwn2db.com/build/?286025
I really like the idea of using Shapechange for the dragon form. However, if this is the only "dragon" item in my arsenal, maybe it's not worth it. Doesn't seem like the other poly forms go down draconic roads, do they?

Once again, Dragon Disciple requires 5th level spells, so you need to have 10 levels of sorcerer spell casting progression. Thus you need to go Sorcerer 6/Blood Magus 4 before you can get your first level of Dragon Disciple.

I'll give this build another look, because for now it is making use of stuff that we do not have on the server.

[PhantomLamb]

Thanks, I think I'll stick with the bard one in any case. Appreciate it.

[Sun Wukong]

Oh, okay, it saves me some trouble.

Anyhow, I would use a human instead of aasimar with the Sorcerer 8/Cleric 3/Blood Magus 9/Dragon Disciple 10. The bonus feat helps a lot, and Chaotic Good cleric of Chauntea can pick Earth Domain for the free Toughness feat.

[PhantomLamb]

Anyone know of a good guild/faction for this guy? There's no Tiamat deity for selection, but I could be polytheistic. Just needs to be ebil. I think he will focus on acquisition (much like a dragon).

[Sun Wukong]

Zhents maybe?

[PhantomLamb]

Could be. They might be too lawful, but it's so hard to find a 100% match unless you're a fanatic. Seems like they may be the best hope for activity, so I'll probably seek them out. Thanks-

[samb123]

Anyone know of a good guild/faction for this guy? There's no Tiamat deity for selection, but I could be polytheistic. Just needs to be ebil. I think he will focus on acquisition (much like a dragon).

The Blooded Lotus maybe? But it's suggested you have blood magic.

[PhantomLamb]

http://nwn2db.com/build/?285982

Does a bard need concentration skills if most of my spells are buffs? Can songs be interrupted?

[Sun Wukong]

Buffs can be dispelled in mid combat, and any damage recieved will easily disrupt your attempts to rebuff. Hence, concentration is needed even on a melee caster. Concentration is needed on all casters. The only exception is Paladin and Ranger builds because they often do not have enough spells to re-apply lost buffs.

Edit: as for songs. Silence spell cast on ground will disrupt.

[PhantomLamb]

TY-