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[Lockonnow]

people i will need you mind and listen, i have a idea the daggerspell mage prc need a wizard with some levels and one rogue lvl to be use but i think it is to much with the rogue lvl one but there is a belt out there that sould give the daggerspell mage what it need can we do so?

[chad878262]

Hi Lock,

Daggerspell Mage is a very powerful PRC, though IMO it's better with Warlock than Wizard. For a Wizard, you have two 'paths' you can take. One is to go more Wizard/caster without HiPS, such as W7/R3/AT10/DSM10 This will give you CL30 after Practiced Spellcaster and 10d6 sneak dice to add to your RTA spells, making a reserve feat a decent choice as well as Quicken, Empower, Maximize and maybe event Still or Silent Spell. This will allow you to have your best RTA's on multiple spell levels. The other 'path' is to go for HiPS which can still aim for high CL, but IMO is better going for a more even distribution of Rogue/Wizard. A few examples would be W5/A8/DSM10/AT7 for CL25, W14/R3/SD3/DSM10 for CL27, but with fewer sneak/death attack dice and no AT or R10/W7/DSM10/AT3 for Epic Precision, but note this does not get HiPS (if you went SD3 you only hit CL16). There are certainly other splits you can make, but it's important to decide what you are trying to do.

If you are going for a PTWF sneak attacker who also has spells I recommend avoiding AT and using something like W5/R10/EK5/DSM10. This will get you BAB21 for 10 APR, 8d6 sneak dice and Epic Precision. Now, with no HiPS you would need some method of delivering Sneak Attacks such as Feint, Blinding Strike or Summons. In addition, CL22 means you have to gear up like a non-caster and avoid dispels as much as possible. Sticking close to walls and certain other places allows you to use Hide in the Shadows, but you have a 2s delay before it activates, but with haste you should be able to get some distance to use it.

If going for an RTA, Arcane Trickster is required IMO so you should either go W5/A8/DSM10/AT7 to have HiPS or W/Phantom/DSM/AT which would allow you to get a higher caster level and still have limited uses of Ghost Step in place for emergencies.

One thing that would not be done is to allow qualifying for a PRC by utilizing items. Items that increase stats do not qualify for minimum stat requirements, increasing skills also doesn't work and items that add feats don't either. Daggerspell Mage and Arcane Trickster are "Mage/Thief" (to use 1st/2nd edition language) PRCs and thus require mixing the two archetypes.

[Lockonnow]

hi chad878262 who say it could ever bee don it might be hard t oprogram but i was thinking thatg on a PnP a dm can give it right if he wish to?

[chad878262]

It is not a programming issue, it is a balance issue. If you can qualify for PRC's without actually taking the classes, feats, or skills necessary you are circumventing the rules associated with said PRC. In addition, what happens when you remove your belt/dagger/whatever that has 2d6 sneak attack dice? You no longer qualify for your PRC, so I suppose we would have to program in functionality to remove those levels until you get the feat/whatever back?

If I recall correctly vanilla NWN had an issue where INT items gave extra skill points which had to be corrected. This would seem like introducing a bug that could have all kinds of nasty consequences.

[Lockonnow]

the belt have 1d6 sneak attack but if you it sould t work with the sneak attack so you can only use it spell from the prc as a CL
maybe we can use this idea Ex-Holy Scourges
If the holy scourge violates the code of conduct or step outside the bounds of the class's acceptable alignments, he loses all spells and class features. He may not progress any further in levels as a holy scourge. He retains his abilities and advancement potential if he atones for his violations.

Daggerspell mage prc say this Special: Sneak Attack 1d6 (or equivalent) on the temple

[Hawke]

the d6 sneak belt does not stack with class sneak damage.

[Tsidkenu]

Neither does it qualify for it, as the feat must be granted by a class and not an item!

[Lockonnow]

that is why i ask if the belt could if some one program to do