Rite of Fear - opt in/out

[DaloLorn]

Except mutilation cannot be done in a PG13 manner or ''tastefully''. It just cannot be done, this rule is not to hamper but to prevent the children that play on this server from such RP because they are minors. The rating of the Server and the Rules are to protect them and those who do not wish to delve into that RP. If you wish to pursue it well there are options available that are not on this server.

Not really, I mean adventurers kill, mutilate and maim monsters all the time, as long as its not very descriptive, I dont think it breaks the rules, at least in my experience, this can be done with intelligence and avoiding being graphic, otherwise it limits evil RP to a point that it becomes a joke/saturday morning cartoon villain.

This is the point where I wish the forum software supported some kind of "+1" option.

If it's as mundane as what Redbook thought it might be, then I find it very difficult to imagine a scenario where it'd be done graphically enough to cause problems. And even if it's not… We do see people with eyepatches, and some pretty serious scars, and there's this one person who's been walking around lately with blood on his face (for some reason). Those all had to come from somewhere.

[ValerieJean]

The DM and admin are very adamant about the rules being the rules, full stop. If you look through the pvp consent forum, you will see many responses from DMs saying that regardless of player consent, the rules MUST be observed.

So, in essence, whether it's consented on or "tastefully" done, the topic is still a violation of the rules. That being said, there are other avenues such as PMs etc to proceed with the story as is, with consenting players- and honestly shouldn't be discouraged, as it IS following lore for those big bad Banites. It just simply can't be done on the server is all.

This.

Except mutilation cannot be done in a PG13 manner or ''tastefully''. It just cannot be done, this rule is not to hamper but to prevent the children that play on this server from such RP because they are minors. The rating of the Server and the Rules are to protect them and those who do not wish to delve into that RP. If you wish to pursue it well there are options available that are not on this server.

Not really, I mean adventurers kill, mutilate and maim monsters all the time, as long as its not very descriptive, I dont think it breaks the rules, at least in my experience, this can be done with intelligence and avoiding being graphic, otherwise it limits evil RP to a point that it becomes a joke/saturday morning cartoon villain.

This is the point where I wish the forum software supported some kind of "+1" option.

If it's as mundane as what Redbook thought it might be, then I find it very difficult to imagine a scenario where it'd be done graphically enough to cause problems. And even if it's not… We do see people with eyepatches, and some pretty serious scars, and there's this one person who's been walking around lately with blood on his face (for some reason). Those all had to come from somewhere.

Yes mechanically beating on a monster happens. But people do not RP what they are doing specifically. That is the basis of this rule. To basically FTB or not acknowledge the gore that is occurring. But we are splitting hairs here with "Well but we bash smash monsters." These are also monsters and not a version of a human being. Yes patches and all came from somewhere but no one goes into detail about how it happened. From the OPs post whether intended or not what was asked and what may be done, does goes against the Rules of the server I am not saying you can't have the RP, I would be in on this as well but it is and I will reiterate once more, it is against the rules of the server.

You can still have this RP it just cannot be on the server, or the forum.

[DaloLorn]

Considering the fact that the rules don't seem to say what you believe they do, I think this discussion's reached the point where it's just your word against ours. Without a direct response from a more authoritative source, there seems to be very little point left in arguing for either side at that stage.

[ValerieJean]

Just because people do not bat an eye does not mean it is not against the rules and that is the only point I am trying to get across that few seem to acknowledge. I do not disagree that removing a head falls under the same, it should be glossed over like "after the battle so and so carries a small bag to the Fist/Watch" But most RP taking the head as it is the status quo. If the DMs/Admins are not dropping down on them then it must be ok, right? It's one of the man gray lines of this server and instances that are inconsistent.

On a slightly related more general topic, it gets annoying when no one can make a thread in these forums without someone looking to provide their own special take on the original post, offering unsolicited advice or critique, if you suspect someone of breaking the rules, report them to the DMs/Admins/Forum Moderators. Don't make it a public affair.

As for this, if the OP understood the rules then there would not be need for a public affair. But I see no reason to call on Mom or Dad for something that can be solved just the same as they would. A point in the direction to the rule being broken. I am not critiquing as I said I would be in on this too if it did not break the rules. As well a rule has not yet been broken, he is simply asking if people would opt for something that /would/ break the rules. I am not going to yell to Mom and Dad for something that may have yet to happen. A DM and an Admin has seen this post already I'm sure if they wish to contact the OP they would. I don't need to spam their inbox for something that is available to all.

As well I don't have a desire to get someone in trouble with the staff when a "Hey this is a rule, just a heads up before a DM/etc smacks you down." and a show to he rules can help them.

[Balthomer]

I been in enough public executions to know what constitutes as a violation of the server rules and what doesnt, you are making waaaaaaaay to many asumptions here Valeriejean

[Darradarljod]

I'll consider that your opt out, Valerie and Fury.

Thank you everyone else for your interest and successfully understanding what I'm asking. We have enough to arrange something.

As for my "rules violations", as what I've asked somehow hasn't been understood, let me remove any doubt; I'm not seeking permission here to exercise gratuitous violence or excessive gore. On the contrary I stated I want to guarantee these events must be in compliance with our server rules regarding violence at a PG13 standard. Unless I am mistaken that means a very basic description or, if it became necessary, a fade to black with assumptions of what occured. Potentially something as simple as *cuts her hand*. Its worth noting the meat and potatos of the RP will be an exercise in intimidation, more than the violence itself.

Largely, the only real reason for my securing of permission from players is that there will be potentially lasting consequences for a character involved, and some people worship their characters so as to not wish any such harm to befall them. Being considerate, I mean to avoid snowflakes.

If you still believe I am trespassing server laws, report me to the DM Team. But I'll think you're just batty

Thanks again for your support of KotES RP and I'll see you in game.

Hail Bane.

[Wildsheep]

I'm not against rping the consequences if any of my characters gets caught in that situation.

[Maecius]

Let's not resort to passive-aggressive or pejorative statements, rules lawyering, assuming the worst in our peers or their intentions, or making ad hominem attacks. Let's instead treat each other like we're equally intelligent, equally well-meaning, and equally interested in what's best for the server (even when we might not agree on what that is).

Ultimately, the rules of the server are in place to ensure that everyone who wants to play here can play here, and can have fun while they're doing it -- as long as they're doing it in a way that's not seriously or repeatedly impeding on the fun of other players.

If you want to coordinate character progression, even high-consequences win/loss scenarios between players, that's fine. But the goal should be that nobody walks away from the RP uncomfortable with the way it went, or unhappy with the writers involved -- or the way in which the scene was handled. If someone files a complaint to the DMs about graphic torture, uncomfortable interactions/OOC pressuring, or otherwise indicates that they feel like they were mistreated, it'll be investigated, simple as that.

[DaloLorn]

I'm not against rping the consequences if any of my characters gets caught in that situation.

I know I'm in good company, then!

(Unless Shali gets caught with you. Then me and my good company are in big, fiery doo-doo. )

Let's not resort to passive-aggressive or pejorative statements, rules lawyering, assuming the worst in our peers or their intentions, or making ad hominem attacks. Let's instead treat each other like we're equally intelligent, equally well-meaning, and equally interested in what's best for the server (even when we might not agree on what that is).

Ultimately, the rules of the server are in place to ensure that everyone who wants to play here can play here, and can have fun while they're doing it -- as long as they're doing it in a way that's not seriously or repeatedly impeding on the fun of other players.

If you want to coordinate character progression, even high-consequences win/loss scenarios between players, that's fine. But the goal should be that nobody walks away from the RP uncomfortable with the way it went, or unhappy with the writers involved -- or the way in which the scene was handled. If someone files a complaint to the DMs about graphic torture, uncomfortable interactions/OOC pressuring, or otherwise indicates that they feel like they were mistreated, it'll be investigated, simple as that.

Aaand that would be an authoritative source, directly responding to the issue. Thank you for clearing this up.

[AgentOrange]

Sign me up for some good old-fashioned torture RP.

Nothing that leaves Jay fugly and permanently crippled though. Yay for a a high magic setting in which limbs can be readily restored.

I could also make throwaway alts for your endeavors.

#AgentOrange#3218 on Discord.

[MrPsion]

I'll opt in. Rejoined recently, still trying out a few different skins while I figure out what to play. Please be advised certain personas do not forgive and do not forget

[Bobthehero]

If anyone wants to opt in, Bob is also going to be undertaking that rite, I'd appreciate PM's to clear out wether or not you'll agree to take part of the rite or not.

[Balthomer]

I think there is a very clear bar regarding "torture" set by DMs themselves... thinking about Morgan Blackrose public execution.... Anyone calling on the pg13 thing on this needs to realize what has happened historically on the server.


As long as you arent more violent than the setting itself, there is nothing wrong with this.

People deserve to have fun on their evil chars and all that comes with it, id rather react to this kind of thing IC instead, and antagonize evil chars IC instead, as the rp demands it.