Server Direction (! or ?)

[SoThereIWas]

Part of the server direction lacking is community based, meaning it's not just those on privileged boards. (DM's are just players with privileges and not above the player, so I lump that together as one.)

With no intent to attack but allow others to be more aware with examples... The flaws I have seen in some cases are hypocrite tendencies that make little sense in both IC and OOC. That makes it difficult to RP around for me and tends to warrant your own destruction and no other is to blame. I have seen it a lot with those who RP around Bauldur's Gate city and I have not had an interest to RP around there, it's why I created Zylros at the time as a fugitive in hiding so he has a IC reason to stay away from there as much as possible and when he is there he gets really nervous.

Point is there is a lot of others so out of focus it's hard to call it RP, as it's now more related to players with their wants and needs over their characters. Like I don't know many characters that have not slept with Drow while in the city of Bauldur's Gate or at least consorted with them, yet they feel it's a god idea to go after select others who do for at times, not always petty reasons. It tends to make it hard for others to be around that kind of RP due to the lack of focus and impulse driven by immediate satisfaction rather than have something worth to gain.

That could be due to me being more of an old school player mentality even for my age over the new bloods in a way. Example of that in some cases that would follow into EVE Online. Old pirates in EVE Online would only kill when had to as it cost ISK. There is nothing to gain from killing just to kill in the long run, you web/scram a ship and hold them ransom or they get ganked, as ISK is involved and that what makes the EVE Universe turn they go for that and the kill is secondary if needed. Now a days? You see others kill just to kill with a lack of purpose at times more petty and will cost you more in the long run. And your more prone to suffer.

There is something to be said about IC gain, and asking yourself "What would me character do and why." Rather than "What would I do and why, because I want it now."

There is some flaws with the DM system that I have myself encountered here and there, one of the lesser ones is message sent is not one received. So with a lack of confirmation it's hard for me to bring out a new character that I was told to make. And not knowing another looked it over you just loose interest and go the other way and do your own thing again. It's hard for me to be around that. And as it can be for more than a few out there.

But there are bigger problems than that, that's just a few, and it follows under the conditions of human behaviors that at times, need to be corrected. It's hard to be optimistic when often all you see and experience is the down sides of things here. If that makes sense? And it's all over, not just here. Because it's about the mass' in some cases and not a small group.

[Hoihe]

So much love!

I appreciate this topic a lot. I'm glad people are speaking their minds about stuff like this. Especially those that find constructive ways to do that, so thank you all!

Ofcourse Miasmata and I have got a vision of the direction of this server, which we will share with you before we begin the actual directing. However, at this moment we still have two great admins showing us the ropes, and teaching us how to be able to come close to being as awesome as they are (which I can only hope we will be able to do).

We will ensure that we share our vision with all of you, when our time to rule be admin has come. And in our vision we will surely take along the great feedback you all have given us. However, we do still need some time to iron out our vision. Added to that, we are still working hard on becoming the admins that you will (hopefully) love appreciate

Stepping in the giant footsteps of our current admins is no easy task, so please bear with us while we continue our training.

( An actual image of Miasmata and me, from behind the scenes:)

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So long as that direction does not cater towards those groups whose preferences are highly exclusive of other preferences. That is my biggest fear regarding the admin change - new team decides to forsake the current environment of safety to appease "hardcore" people.

[Snarfy]

So long as that direction does not cater towards those groups whose preferences are highly exclusive of other preferences. That is my biggest fear regarding the admin change - new team decides to forsake the current environment of safety to appease "hardcore" people.

During their playing years, Miasmata and Zanniej were amongst the most accommodating and inclusive you could probably find, both IC'ly and OOC'ly(they were also two of my favorite players to play with in the last 5 years).

I wouldn't worry about this, at all.

[Hoihe]

So long as that direction does not cater towards those groups whose preferences are highly exclusive of other preferences. That is my biggest fear regarding the admin change - new team decides to forsake the current environment of safety to appease "hardcore" people.

During their playing years, Miasmata and Zanniej were amongst the most accommodating and inclusive you could probably find, both IC'ly and OOC'ly(they were also two of my favorite players to play with in the last 5 years).

I wouldn't worry about this, at all.

I'm not at all familiar with their stance on perma-maim/death/trauma/disease and player/DM freedom to inflict such. I know Miasmata killed off a few of his characters, or had them suffer heavy trauma, causing me to worry.

[Steve]

Well Hoihe, I kinda believe that if you so adamantly don't want anything "bad" to happen to your PC unless YOU determine it, what is going to happen is that DMs, Staff and Players are just going to leave your PC well alone. Which seems to be what you want.

And if that isn't accommodating, I don't know what is!

[edmaster]

Well Hoihe, I kinda believe that if you so adamantly don't want anything "bad" to happen to your PC unless YOU determine it, what is going to happen is that DMs, Staff and Players are just going to leave your PC well alone. Which seems to be what you want.

And if that isn't accommodating, I don't know what is!

I echo this too!

[Hoihe]

Well Hoihe, I kinda believe that if you so adamantly don't want anything "bad" to happen to your PC unless YOU determine it, what is going to happen is that DMs, Staff and Players are just going to leave your PC well alone. Which seems to be what you want.

And if that isn't accommodating, I don't know what is!

Excommunication isn't accomodation.

"Yeah, if you don't play" isn't really consoling.

Being forced to sit around guild hall for fear of people wanting to "make a mark" should server enable people to do so is as good as being kicked off.

Being forced to stay out of every plot for fear of DMs wanting perma-disease and unfixable messes without the ability to bring admin attention and "Hey, you shouldn't do that" is as good as being kicked off.



Also, another thing I worry of is the stance on retcons being cracked down on changing. I know there have been DMs before who didn't like certain custom lore and wanted it changed/retconned outright.

[Never Twice]

The server direction is LEFT!

Because you know it ain't RIGHT!

[Steve]

Hoihe, I think it is high time you start owning your own choices.

You come to BGTSCC on your own, you choose the way you want to RP, and you also are making a direct choice in what experiences you are and are not willing to participate in.

This is you, NOT the Server, with issues. If you indirectly force another's hand by choosing to not participate because of said issues, or as could be said, your specific preferences, there is no blame you can lay anywhere but with yourself.

So instead of blaming, take ownership. You don't want something, so you choose to isolate your experience.

There is nothing right or wrong about it, but it is YOUR choice. So do also expect the consequences of that choice.

[Snarfy]

Also, another thing I worry of is...

Methinks you're worrying needlessly... I've never personally experienced, or have even heard of any player being "forced" into any of what you're describing.

Wouldn't you rather spend your IG time just playing, rolling with the punches, and letting the chips fall where they may, rather than looking over your shoulder and worrying about what if's?

[Planehopper]

I've warned privately and will now do so publicly. This isnt going to be another permadeath conversation.

Any further discussion of the same, without it being brought forward by staff as something they are even considering (they havent) will be considered off topic, removed, and followed up on individually.

Thanks

[c2k]

The server direction is LEFT!

Because you know it ain't RIGHT!

I see what you did there.




In regards to the admin change, I doubt the server policy will be drastically changed overnight. Besides, these are two of the most respected people in this community and have been around a long time, so I'm sure they are attuned to the pulse of the server.

[Zanniej]

Well, keep in mind that only two people are changing. Not the entire staff.

In the past, such discussions mostly fell to the DM team, as they mostly govern the way RP flows on the server. Now, ofcourse the admins decide the overal direction of the server, but I do not think we'll come in here guns blazing, and turn BGTSCC into a heavy RP permadeath Dark Souls PVP-fest
(then again... that does sound intriguing now that I type it out loud )

So long as that direction does not cater towards those groups whose preferences are highly exclusive of other preferences. That is my biggest fear regarding the admin change - new team decides to forsake the current environment of safety to appease "hardcore" people.

During their playing years, Miasmata and Zanniej were amongst the most accommodating and inclusive you could probably find, both IC'ly and OOC'ly(they were also two of my favorite players to play with in the last 5 years).

I wouldn't worry about this, at all.

Again, so much love! Man, I would just hug you if I didn't know you're a reclusive elf!

I've warned privately and will now do so publicly. This isnt going to be another permadeath conversation.

Any further discussion of the same, without it being brought forward by staff as something they are even considering (they havent) will be considered off topic, removed, and followed up on individually.

Thanks

Permadeath is no active conversation anywhere else in the forums, as far as I know (apart from the new topic), so I agree, it should definitely not be one in this topic.

[Steve]

I just want to say that a positive direction already starting is by having communicative Admins (in training or not).

It is very easy for members of this community to question Server direction when little engagement comes from Staff, in responses and recognition of what the community is discussing.

An active, public dialogue between the Players, the DMs, the Head DMs and the Admins is healthy for the Server!

[Ewe]

I just want to say that a positive direction already starting is by having communicative Admins (in training or not).

It is very easy for members of this community to question Server direction when little engagement comes from Staff, in responses and recognition of what the community is discussing.

An active, public dialogue between the Players, the DMs, the Head DMs and the Admins is healthy for the Server!

Yea 100% what Steve said. I think part of it is we are used to the constant communication from Endelyon and Maecius. To suddenly go from that to silence felt quite disturbing. I still don't even know who Miasmata is, he seems to not post to us or in the Discord, is he only active in staff channels?