Build Help: Retraining Cleric/Druid/Warlock

[Cinnamon]

Cinnamon is a Cleric/Druid build, with Thaumaturge and Hierophant thrown in. I retrain her into Wizard sometimes for a few things, as she has studied it, but it's difficult to keep, generally I just consider Thaum to her her 5 Wizard Levels because it's how she got it in the first place.

But I want to add in Warlock because she's spent the whole year sneaking for Demonic Gods to get a personalised Pact, and as such would now have Warlock power.


Skills:

Basic or Class/RP Requirement: Religion 5, Local: 5, Heal 1/R, Lockpick 1/R, Search 1/R, Disabled 1/R, Bluff 1/R

Adept: Nature 15, Arcana 15, Survival: 1/R

Scholar: Planes 33, Spellcraft 33, Sense Motive 33, UMD 33, Diplomacy 33, Spot 33,


Animal Companion: Monsterous - Bugbear, Lizardman & Ibrandlin

I also want to fit in the Four Counterspell feats; Improved Initiative, Improved, Reactive and Epic Counterspell.

Feats in this list:

Prodigy

Able Learner

Natural Spell

Extend Spell

Focus Conj

Greater Focus Conj

Practised Druid

Epic Animal

Entropic Husk

Hellball

Epic Gate

Dragon Knight

[chad878262]

I am a little confused as to what you are looking for, but will try to give some general assistance. Obviously with a max of four classes/PRC's you will need to 'pick 4' between Druid/Cleric/Warlock/Wizard/Hierophant/Thaumaturge. In addition, from an RP standpoint you do not have to be pacted to deal with demons and devils. Many wizards and clerics etc. do just that without ever accepting such a pact. Finally if you want to keep Hierophant (which is recommended when you are cross classing non-caster progression classes on a caster focused build) you will need to keep Lore:Religion at 15 since it is a PRC requirement.

Personally speaking, Warlock is the worst option of the group as a dip gets you very limited and weak abilities, while not really doing anything for your summoning capabilities (you would need to go relatively deep in to warlock in order to summon.)

A couple options I would consider off the cuff is to drop Druid in favor of Cleric with Animal Domain and some other nature based domain. However, that is not really an option since IIRC you worship Ibrandul. But with Thaumaturge and improvements to your summoning spell for Ibrandlin, you could have a Planar Ally + an Ibrandlin companion. Something like Cleric 12/T5/H10/X3 (where X can be your flavor dip in Warlock or Wizard) would be a good way to attain CL33 Cleric caster. Could even do as low as C8/T5/H10/X7 and still reach CL30, but note you would need to make your level 3 and 6 feat SF: Conjuration and GSF: Conjuration to ensure you can qualify for Thaumaturge on time. You basically go C8 then T5 then Hierophant, but could mix in whatever X is, so long as you ensure you qualify for Thaumaturge and start taking levels by 13 so you can qualify for Hierophant by 17.

The other option is to go deep in Warlock, just dipping 4 levels in Cleric or Druid or Wizard to represent your past skill. With full UMD you'll still be able to use scrolls from all of those if you want, and while not a Thaumaturge, you can essentially have unlimited summons, though not multiples like you can with Thaumaturge. Even here, you could do it using scrolls if you were to go something like Wlk23/X3/T4, for example, using scrolls of Planar Ally/Binding (depending on if Cleric or Wizard 3). Probably will be pretty weak overall...and expensive to buff with scrolls etc., but might work from RP perspective.

Overall I think it is a case where you are spreading yourself quite thin which works fine in PnP (for most groups where difficulty can be scaled by the DM to support whatever players want to roll with), but in a Persistent World it can be frustrating since PvE is not designed around such builds. Still would be more than fine in a group of course, but if you are looking for PvE solo and/or PvP viability well, there it is more about player skill than build anyway, but will be more expensive/difficult to be strong.

[Cinnamon]

Lore:Religion at 15 since it is a PRC requirement.

Nope, it's Nature 15 or Lore Religion 15, so I put her lore at 5 always because I don't want to Religion Metagame.

A couple options I would consider off the cuff is to drop Druid in favor of Cleric with Animal Domain and some other nature based domain. However, that is not really an option since IIRC you worship Ibrandul.

Yeah but even then, Cleric sucked. It was too overpowered, I never had to answer to anybody and ultimately it was boring.

Druid is much more balanced, all it has is DPS really and some lower level versions of Sanctuary but mechanically can still be dealt damage.

Even teleporting is just inferior, only with no ceiling maps.

She's also just a Druid and always was, Cleric felt wrong to retrain into, but now it's part of her hard history where I played like 2-3 months as Cleric.

Ultimately, I'll never see Ibrandul as a Cleric Faith, it doesn't add up with what they do and why.


For everything else: Eh, she's not meant to really PvE, and Druid has onebutton abilities when you're a high DC caster.

The more I look at it, I only have Thaum to "headcanonised 5 Wizard levels and Planar RP", but in the end, I don't even need it, it doesn't offer anything in it's current state. The extend feat is whatever, the ability is whatever unless it gets a power boost for actual Planar Allies and...

Heresy, but the double Summon is whatever to me as well.

I'll take a sizable Druid / Warlock build if Warlock's higher invos make me happy, I've always played low-pact power and never actually explored higher.

[Hawke]

With the CL fix, it's tough to have levels in multiple caster types and be effective. Otherwise a lesser dispel would wreck us hard.

I do have a build (one of a few of the same) my Drizard build.

It isn't the exactly what you are looking for because of the warlock, but it gets you in the ballpark with a 29 CL arcane. It is by no means overpowered.

You are welcome to it.

https://nwn2db.com/build/?204746