Change requirements for Dread Pirate PrC

[Flatted Fifth]

Dread Pirate requires 8 appraise, so since there are only 2 base classes that have appraise as a class skill anyone who isn't a bard or rogue would have to wait until lvl 14 to take any lvls of Dread Pirate unless they are ALSO taking another PrC first (by contrast there are 4 base classes that have stealth as class skills, so I think assassin and shadow dancer reqs are fine).


Suggest changing dread pirate requirement from BAB +4, non lawful, Weapon Finesse, Appraise 8, and Lore: Geography 4 to BAB +4, non lawful, Weapon Finesse, Appraise 4, Lore: Geography 4 and players choice of either 4 Diplomacy or 4 Intimidate.

ETA
Either that or give Appraise as a class skill to a couple more classes, now while the 100% rcr is going. I think Swashbuckler and Cleric might be good candidates.

[Habitu]

I believe the newest Cosmo Feats aid in things like this, but yes I understand it is a feat though it gives the option.

[Flatted Fifth]

I believe the newest Cosmo Feats aid in things like this, but yes I understand it is a feat though it gives the option.

Shouldn't have to take an additional feat on top of what's already required. Feats are too few for everyone but fighter. A skill requirement of 8 on a skill only 2 base classes have is too high

[Habitu]

Not saying you're wrong it is a bit steep, but it could also be for what is gained if you did go those two classes with appraise. Bard being one I know DP effects bard song but I would have to look at it again for heavy specifics. But here's hoping!

[Xorena]

I like this suggestion, although I thought the requirement was 8 appraise and 8 lore geography.

[Habitu]

[Xorena]

From a balance perspective this would allow some classes to take Dread Pirate a lot earlier. That's the extent of my feedback.

[EasternCheesE]

From the discussion we had, we feel that Dread pirate is balanced as is. It's strong class in first place and it's impossible to switch requirements adding new ones without producing illegal builds, thus we can't simply lower one skill and add another skill requirement.

Thus, Dread pirate is only available on lvl 14 for anyone not taking appraise class dips or not taking Extra Skill feat.