Coming Soon: Discussion Thread (2021)

[Ewe]

I think it's just a bug that it's not working correctly with stack count, should be fixable in a future update.

[YYA]

Mr Mentalist will be happy.

- Superior Defense: At 3rd level, you learn special techniques for making the best use of an elf's natural agility even while wearing restrictive armor. Whenever you wear an armor of any type, you gain a +1 Dodge AC bonus. At 6th level the bonus improves to +2 and at 9th level it increases by +3.

And no, this should only apply when wearing Medium or Heavy armor. You are a Knight of Corellon Larethian, not a forest Hobo of Corellon Latrinian.

If not... Well, Rogue 10/Shadowdancer 3/Wilderness Stalker 7/Champion of Corellon Latrininian, here I come. Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting with those Shortswords, +4 Dodge AC... Extra Dexterity Damage...

[matelener]

Mr Mentalist will be happy.

- Superior Defense: At 3rd level, you learn special techniques for making the best use of an elf's natural agility even while wearing restrictive armor. Whenever you wear an armor of any type, you gain a +1 Dodge AC bonus. At 6th level the bonus improves to +2 and at 9th level it increases by +3.

And no, this should only apply when wearing Medium or Heavy armor. You are a Knight of Corellon Larethian, not a forest Hobo of Corellon Latrinian.

If not... Well, Rogue 10/Shadowdancer 3/Wilderness Stalker 7/Champion of Corellon Latrininian, here I come. Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting with those Shortswords, +4 Dodge AC... Extra Dexterity Damage...

Most of elves are forest hobos by default though!

That build will be extremely feat starved I think? You've got to pick up Meidum / Heavy Armor proficiencies.

I was on the fence wether light armors should be available. I went with somewhat more lore accurate version, as in PnP mithral versions of medium armors are allowed (and it's hard to beat that with a "real light" armor on BG).

[YYA]

Well, Rogue 10/Shadowdancer 3/Wilderness Stalker 7/Champion of Corellon Latrininian, here I come. Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting with those Shortswords, +4 Dodge AC... Extra Dexterity Damage...

Such a build would have to spend feats on Martial Weapon Profiency, Medium Armor Profiency, and Heavy Armor Profiency... You are little short on feats there, you only got 7 pre-epic feats, and only 6 can be used to meet PRC requirements. You just do not have enough feats those PRCs.

Such a build would have to spend feats on Martial Weapon Profiency, Medium Armor Profiency, and Heavy Armor Profiency... You are little short on feats there, you only got 7 pre-epic feats, and only 6 can be used to meet PRC requirements. You just do not have enough feats those PRCs.

Fine, then I make something like a Fighter 12/Assassin 8/Champion of Corellon Latherian, or Fighter 8/Asassin 8/Champion of Corellon Latherian 10/Wilderness Stalker 4! With that last one I still got my +4 Dodge AC and Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting!

[YYA]

Most of elves are forest hobos by default though!

Which is why Champions of Corellon Latherian are the exceptions.

That build will be extremely feat starved I think? You've got to pick up Meidum / Heavy Armor proficiencies.

Yeah, realized it soon after typing.

I was on the fence wether light armors should be available. I went with somewhat more lore accurate version, as in PnP mithral versions of medium armors are allowed (and it's hard to beat that with a "real light" armor on BG).

And be that as it may, I still think Champions of Corellon Latherian should wear proper armor -- they can use the appearance kit to make it look like bunch of leaves -- but they should still wear a proper armor. Be that a suit of Mithral Splint Mail, Banded Mail, Half-Plate, or Full-Plate, or just a suit of regular +4 Breast Plate.

[Steve]

EDM Fighter 12 / Paladin 4 / Anointed Knight 4 / CoC 10. Or Fighter 8 / Paladin 4 / Divine Champion 6 / CoC 10. No need to overthink it.

[Steve]

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This is a really great addition. Thanks Rhifox!

[DaloLorn]

Another fun addition as always, I see!

I have a few questions, though. I suspect I know most of the answers already, most likely due to hardcoded limitations and such, but... doesn't hurt to ask anyway!

• NWN1 familiars could travel away from their master's map, allowing scenarios such as the master researching things in a library while their familiar wandered around and RPed. IIRC, this is not currently possible on BG. Will that be changing?
• Will it become easier to order familiars to attack, and/or will they use their SLAs intelligently? (As an example of the latter: The lantern archon's infinite Searing Light. I think there's AI rules to tell your party whether to attack at all, or whether to use spells/SLAs, but I'm not sure if this is covered?)
• How come the lantern archon doesn't have a light property? It is literally a sapient ball of light, after all...
• Will familiars be affected by the master's self-buffs, akin to the Share Spells feat? I know it's theoretically only supposed to work while the familiar's within 5 feet of the master, but I don't think it'd be too OP without the distance limit. (And I do think not having to prepare extra buffs would encourage people to pull their familiars out more often, which would in turn improve the odds of people actually using Improved Familiars' properties and SLAs.)

[Rhifox]

NWN1 familiars could travel away from their master's map, allowing scenarios such as the master researching things in a library while their familiar wandered around and RPed. IIRC, this is not currently possible on BG. Will that be changing?

Not by me. I don't know if this can be done.

Will it become easier to order familiars to attack, and/or will they use their SLAs intelligently? (As an example of the latter: The lantern archon's infinite Searing Light. I think there's AI rules to tell your party whether to attack at all, or whether to use spells/SLAs, but I'm not sure if this is covered?)

This is not changing. They continue to function as they do now. It's possible I can look into the scripts to see if they can be changed to work like other companions, but adjusting their default behavior has not been a priority of mine.

How come the lantern archon doesn't have a light property? It is literally a sapient ball of light, after all...

It does. I just didn't think it was important enough to mention?

Will familiars be affected by the master's self-buffs, akin to the Share Spells feat? I know it's theoretically only supposed to work while the familiar's within 5 feet of the master, but I don't think it'd be too OP without the distance limit. (And I do think not having to prepare extra buffs would encourage people to pull their familiars out more often, which would in turn improve the odds of people actually using Improved Familiars' properties and SLAs.)

This is a bit beyond what I can code, so no. Maybe someone better at coding than me could figure that out, but it's not something I can do.

[DaloLorn]

NWN1 familiars could travel away from their master's map, allowing scenarios such as the master researching things in a library while their familiar wandered around and RPed. IIRC, this is not currently possible on BG. Will that be changing?

Not by me. I don't know if this can be done.

Probably not. Just checking.

Will it become easier to order familiars to attack, and/or will they use their SLAs intelligently? (As an example of the latter: The lantern archon's infinite Searing Light. I think there's AI rules to tell your party whether to attack at all, or whether to use spells/SLAs, but I'm not sure if this is covered?)

This is not changing. They continue to function as they do now. It's possible I can look into the scripts to see if they can be changed to work like other companions, but adjusting their default behavior has not been a priority of mine.

I guess I'll have to test it when Ilhara gets her lantern.

How come the lantern archon doesn't have a light property? It is literally a sapient ball of light, after all...

It does. I just didn't think it was important enough to mention?

Oh, neat!

Will familiars be affected by the master's self-buffs, akin to the Share Spells feat? I know it's theoretically only supposed to work while the familiar's within 5 feet of the master, but I don't think it'd be too OP without the distance limit. (And I do think not having to prepare extra buffs would encourage people to pull their familiars out more often, which would in turn improve the odds of people actually using Improved Familiars' properties and SLAs.)

This is a bit beyond what I can code, so no. Maybe someone better at coding than me could figure that out, but it's not something I can do.

Yeaaah, you'd probably need to hook into all the arcane buff scripts to do it. Another thing to look into, I suppose, if my app passes...

[matelener]

Paladins don't allow Corellon as a deity I think

[DaloLorn]

I don't think they do, no.

[Hydros]

Paladins don't allow Corellon as a deity I think

Can confirm they don't. This came up between some friends a while ago, multiple of us (including myself) seem to all remember Races of the Wild 3.5 allowing for Corellon as a paladin diety for elves as a special rule, but when actually looking through the book for it, it didn't exist.

So, currently, in the ruleset we generally adhere to, there's no basis for Corellon as a Paladin diety.

[Rain]

Improved
- Bonebat
- Eyeball



If only bati could have a familiar.

[DaloLorn]

Improved
- Bonebat
- Eyeball



If only bati could have a familiar.

Me, I'm lucky. The characters for whom improved familiars are most appropriate tend to be the ones who can theoretically drop a feat on it.