Ring of Blessed Aim

[ValerieJean]

I fear I did not get a snip of the item examine. But it had Blessed Aim either X/day or Charges and one use of Rejuv Cocoon. Because of the X/day or charges on it I did not think the item would disappear when I used the Rejuc Cocoon, unfortunately as I healed someone with it the item was then lost. I brought it to light as I was not sure it was an intent to have it disappear while still having uses.

[DaloLorn]

I fear I did not get a snip of the item examine. But it had Blessed Aim either X/day or Charges and one use of Rejuv Cocoon. Because of the X/day or charges on it I did not think the item would disappear when I used the Rejuc Cocoon, unfortunately as I healed someone with it the item was then lost. I brought it to light as I was not sure it was an intent to have it disappear while still having uses.

Working as designed. Shali's been warned against using the Shapechange option on her Cape of the Shapechanger since day 1. (... And Rala later proceeded to do exactly that in her backstory, so she could briefly experience being a dragon. )

It should, perhaps, be more clearly documented, but this is how all such items work. The "Single Use" property causes the item to self-destruct no matter how many charges, daily uses, or other stats it has.

[ValerieJean]

I fear I did not get a snip of the item examine. But it had Blessed Aim either X/day or Charges and one use of Rejuv Cocoon. Because of the X/day or charges on it I did not think the item would disappear when I used the Rejuc Cocoon, unfortunately as I healed someone with it the item was then lost. I brought it to light as I was not sure it was an intent to have it disappear while still having uses.

Working as designed. Shali's been warned against using the Shapechange option on her Cape of the Shapechanger since day 1. (... And Rala later proceeded to do exactly that in her backstory, so she could briefly experience being a dragon. )

It should, perhaps, be more clearly documented, but this is how all such items work. The "Single Use" property causes the item to self-destruct no matter how many charges, daily uses, or other stats it has.

The issues is though there are two spells on this item not just the single one use.

it has use of Blessed Aim and Rejuv Cocoon.

[DaloLorn]

I fear I did not get a snip of the item examine. But it had Blessed Aim either X/day or Charges and one use of Rejuv Cocoon. Because of the X/day or charges on it I did not think the item would disappear when I used the Rejuc Cocoon, unfortunately as I healed someone with it the item was then lost. I brought it to light as I was not sure it was an intent to have it disappear while still having uses.

Working as designed. Shali's been warned against using the Shapechange option on her Cape of the Shapechanger since day 1. (... And Rala later proceeded to do exactly that in her backstory, so she could briefly experience being a dragon. )

It should, perhaps, be more clearly documented, but this is how all such items work. The "Single Use" property causes the item to self-destruct no matter how many charges, daily uses, or other stats it has.

The issues is though there are two spells on this item not just the single one use.

it has use of Blessed Aim and Rejuc Cocoon.

I know. I literally said it doesn't matter:

The "Single Use" property causes the item to self-destruct no matter how many charges, daily uses, or other stats it has.

Similarly, I believe items with charges (like wands) will self-destruct when they hit 0 charges, regardless of whether they have any other function. It's been a long time since I last saw it, since I don't typically use consumables, but...

[ValerieJean]

Working as designed. Shali's been warned against using the Shapechange option on her Cape of the Shapechanger since day 1. (... And Rala later proceeded to do exactly that in her backstory, so she could briefly experience being a dragon. )

It should, perhaps, be more clearly documented, but this is how all such items work. The "Single Use" property causes the item to self-destruct no matter how many charges, daily uses, or other stats it has.

The issues is though there are two spells on this item not just the single one use.

it has use of Blessed Aim and Rejuc Cocoon.

I know. I literally said it doesn't matter:

The "Single Use" property causes the item to self-destruct no matter how many charges, daily uses, or other stats it has.

Similarly, I believe items with charges (like wands) will self-destruct when they hit 0 charges, regardless of whether they have any other function. It's been a long time since I last saw it, since I don't typically use consumables, but...

Your evidence being the Cloak which only has the one spell on it. That is what I am refuting is when an item also has another instance. I am saying it should not disappear because that one shot was used the one time.

Wands vary, I have had some disappear yes and I have some that sit at 0 waiting to be charged. Yes with all of the functions on it being set to charges as well. That is expected, this is different at least to my understanding.

Here is the item, it can be bought at the Beregost Caravan Lady.

[DaloLorn]

The issues is though there are two spells on this item not just the single one use.

it has use of Blessed Aim and Rejuc Cocoon.

I know. I literally said it doesn't matter:

The "Single Use" property causes the item to self-destruct no matter how many charges, daily uses, or other stats it has.

Similarly, I believe items with charges (like wands) will self-destruct when they hit 0 charges, regardless of whether they have any other function. It's been a long time since I last saw it, since I don't typically use consumables, but...

Your evidence being the Cloak which only has the one spell on it. That is what I am refuting is when an item also has another instance. I am saying it should not disappear because that one shot was used the one time.

Wands vary, I have had some disappear yes and I have some that sit at 0 waiting to be charged. Yes with all of the functions on it being set to charges as well. That is expected, this is different at least to my understanding.

Here is the item, it can be bought at the Beregost Caravan Lady.

The Cape of the Shapechanger has a 1/day Polymorph Self and a Single Use Shapechange. It is a perfect analogy to your ring, and again, I've been warned that the Single Use spell will destroy the item since the day I got it.

There are some items in which this self-destruct behavior is made more obvious by the description. Gems of Brightness, I think? Not sure.

[ValerieJean]

I misread Cape for Cloak, I forget there are two items that are similar aside from one having Polymorph also. I do not believe the Ring has a destructive description but I am not near that merchant as of this moment. I imagine that Ring of Elemental Earth Command would fall into the same category description there or not because of the flesh to stone function. These at least cost under 30k before appraisal but that is over 100k. Sure it does a bit more but if someone uses that aware or unaware, bye bye birdy.

I suppose for me it is why bother having these items, those that have multiple functions with charges and single use, if they disappear. As the items still have 'power' to them. Some people do not have gold falling out of their pockets as others may and possible utility items thought to have worth, seem to have less so now. If this is the intention for these items, could the descriptions then be fixed for those who do not know or forget that a Single Use function will destroy the item.

[Valefort]

It can be added as an OOC note at the end of the description easily enough, sure.

[Aspect of Sorrow]

Some people do not have gold falling out of their pockets as others may and possible utility items thought to have worth, seem to have less so now. If this is the intention for these items, could the descriptions then be fixed for those who do not know or forget that a Single Use function will destroy the item.

A charge at the same cost would only mitigate the weight. The single use destroy after situation can be modified that on removal from inventory the property is simply deleted and the item without the property is returned to the user which used to exist on this PW (Electrocutor or Luna was the author of it), removed when Rasael was working on the new way spells would function but never returned. If I recall correctly the other properties were refreshed if they had day or charges, so that would need accounted for.

[ValerieJean]

It can be added as an OOC note at the end of the description easily enough, sure.

Appreciated!

A charge at the same cost would only mitigate the weight. The single use destroy after situation can be modified that on removal from inventory the property is simply deleted and the item without the property is returned to the user which used to exist on this PW (Electrocutor or Luna was the author of it), removed when Rasael was working on the new way spells would function but never returned.

That would be fantastic actually!

[Tsidkenu]

The "single use" property was always intended to function this way, that's how potions 'work'. It's rarer to see it on items. In PNP, you can 'single use' a Staff of the Magi (by snapping it in half) to turn all its remaining charges into an instantaneous explosion of damage iirc. The same idea is at work with these single use items. It would be helpful to adjust the descriptions so players know what they're in for.

Eg.

"By breaking the gemstone of this ring and destroying it, its imbued magic will envelope the recipient with a cocoon of healing energies."

[Aspect of Sorrow]

The "single use" property was always intended to function this way, that's how potions 'work'

This isn't the part that is being challenged.

[Rhifox]

Description already said using the cocoon consumes the ring. "The ring can also be consumed by releasing the magic encased in the small face which mounts the ring."

But description will be more clear that this destroys the item in the next patch.

[Rhifox]

Similarly, I believe items with charges (like wands) will self-destruct when they hit 0 charges, regardless of whether they have any other function. It's been a long time since I last saw it, since I don't typically use consumables, but...

Loot drop ones seem to get destroyed, while player crafted ones remain with 0 charges.

[EasternCheesE]

As Rhifox did update the description to specify this so people are not surprised, i close this one.