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GholaMan
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Incorrect caster level?

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I am pretty sure Spirit shaman's caster level is not bieng calculated correctly when combined with blood magic and heirophant. Should be caster level 37, but most enemies seem to be able to resist about of 70% of my spells cast consistently against enemies about my level. Even creatures that are much lower level than my CL still on occasion seem to be able to resist spells. Really this number should be reversed with me being able to bypass 41 SR on a 4 or better.
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GholaMan wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 9:05 pm I am pretty sure Spirit shaman's caster level is not bieng calculated correctly when combined with blood magic and heirophant. Should be caster level 37, but most enemies seem to be able to resist about of 70% of my spells cast consistently against enemies about my level. Even creatures that are much lower level than my CL still on occasion seem to be able to resist spells. Really this number should be reversed with me being able to bypass 41 SR on a 4 or better.
Can you please provide your stats?
The good indicator of CL applied wrong would be giving your DC on some offensive spell you cast. With CL 37, you are getting several more DC due to caster level. If DC is not correct, then CL has bugs. If it's correct, then there is something wrong with mob SR.
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Most of the spells DC's are normal with the exception of greater ruin which has incorrect DC. But the rates of spell resistance are pretty consistently inaccurate when considering how many caster levels my character has. Tested with a PC drow at level 30 for this, CL 37 from blood magic and hierophant, used stonehold which should last 37 rounds. 20 rounds were resisted 17 bypassed resistances.
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Remember epic spells have a specific formula for their DC, which is 25+ ability modifier and that's it (except some strange exception for shadow adept).
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So you are telling me its supposed to be lower DC than my 9th level spells?
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By NWN2 mechanics, yes. If your build gets higher than 25 + Ability mod in DCs for level 9 spells, then epic spells will be lower.

I would like to go through all of the epics spells tbh and give them proper DCs. 10 + 10 + Ability mod + other relevant mods (eg spell focuses, epic spell DC, etc).
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GholaMan wrote: Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:00 pmMost of the spells DC's are normal with the exception of greater ruin which has incorrect DC. But the rates of spell resistance are pretty consistently inaccurate when considering how many caster levels my character has. Tested with a PC drow at level 30 for this, CL 37 from blood magic and hierophant, used stonehold which should last 37 rounds. 20 rounds were resisted 17 bypassed resistances.
Caster level of 37 against Spell Resistance of 41, you can fail by rolling 1, 2, or 3, because at 4 you should meet and beat the Spell Resistance.

Thus if you had just a very unlucky streak of rolling bunch of ones, twos, and threes, failing for twenty rounds is not unexpected. After all, I have noticed it happen with melee combat fairly often too. So the culprit could be be just the random number algorithm or table, whichever this game uses. Were you to give it a few additional tries, you can make sure that it is not a result of some unlucky streak. If the problem persists... Can you try casting direct 'damage' spells such as Moonbolt and Ice Storm on that drow friend of yours? Because it is a way to figure out if this affects all spellcasting, or just the AoE duration effects which have their long history of being bugged.
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I've also used my offensive spells in the ruins of oghrann which has the highest level SR monsters on the server as far as i am aware. And the majority of the ones that have spell resist allowed get resisted at high frequency, my spell list has a total of 9 spells that allow for spell resist. Storm of vengeance, stonehold, bombardment, firestorm, icestorm, baleful polymorph, cascading plague, infestation of maggots, dehydration, and hypothermia. The only ones on that list that seem to be working the correct ammount of success and failures is firestorm, bombardment, and icestorm. The rest well they just get resisted at far to high of a frequency consistantly, as in not a single time but most times they are cast.
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