Shapechange and loss of spells

[mrm3ntalist]

With the upcoming 100% RcR, is there any chance for the shapechange and the loss of spells for spontaneous caster to be looked at? Or Shapechagne will still cause those casters to lose spells?

[EasternCheesE]

Sadly, yes. That's the problem that is buried really deep in our codebase that is basing on vanilla game issue about stuff. There is a chance we can fix it, but it may only happen during massive magic system rework as our current one is quite clunky and has tons of redundant/non-finished code from Rasael's spellbook. Trying to fix only shapeshifting will cause massive rework with even more wheels invented to overcome existing limitations that will end up breaking something else.

[mrm3ntalist]

Sadly, yes. That's the problem that is buried really deep in our codebase that is basing on vanilla game issue about stuff. There is a chance we can fix it, but it may only happen during massive magic system rework as our current one is quite clunky and has tons of redundant/non-finished code from Rasael's spellbook. Trying to fix only shapeshifting will cause massive rework with even more wheels invented to overcome existing limitations that will end up breaking something else.

I understand that, it has always been the case. Shapechange needs some investment in feats ( i have a build currently ) so i was planning ahead. Anyway, RIP Shapechange for sorcs. Thanks for taking the time

[Steve]

The problem is only with using Races with a racial modifier to CHA, and when using extra spell slot items.

[Theodore01]

The problem is only with using Races with a racial modifier to CHA, and when using extra spell slot items.

item slots is a huge problem.

[DiceyCZ]

The problem is only with using Races with a racial modifier to CHA, and when using extra spell slot items.

Not entirely true, I have a human with +3 CHA cloak and spellcasting prodigy feat...still loose a ton of spells whenever shaping in/out of forms, without using spell slot gear.

Edit: Specifically, it's the +3 Charisma cloak that messes it up.

[Theodore01]

Casting the +4cha spell before changing should solve that for you. Does not help with slot items however.

[Steve]

Casting the +4cha spell before changing should solve that for you. Does not help with slot items however.

I took me a while to find this, remembering having read it once but couldn't remember who stated it. Areilla was the one who, after they granted Sorcerers more Spells Known per level—then vanished!—also had this to say:

Subject: Problem with Sorcerer spells and Polymorph

It's to do with the racial modifiers and the fix in place with it. Cast Eagles splendor on your self and changing shape should have no effect on spell slots.

[mrm3ntalist]

It's to do with the racial modifiers and the fix in place with it. Cast Eagles splendor on your self and changing shape should have no effect on spell slots.

You do lose spell slots (from items) even if you cast eagles splendor

[mrm3ntalist]

This reminds me. Ages ago, Rasael implemented a new version of spell system that could solve many issues such as loss of spells from shapechange. The first iteration was a bit clunky and there was a problem of putting spells on a hotbar. HAs anyone looked at it and is there even a remote possibility of this being worked on?

[EasternCheesE]

This reminds me. Ages ago, Rasael implemented a new version of spell system that could solve many issues such as loss of spells from shapechange. The first iteration was a bit clunky and there was a problem of putting spells on a hotbar. HAs anyone looked at it and is there even a remote possibility of this being worked on?

Sadly, many of that code is unfinished and sits as dead weight in our magic system. And many parts are honestly overcomplicated beyond reasonable levels. Fixing some magic stuff, i also see that some basis of it has design flaws that will (and do) backfire. I doubt we will try to finish that project, it is more ambitious that crafting and all our roadmap combined given the amount of work needed to fully substitute game magic system on scripting level.

[Steve]

It's to do with the racial modifiers and the fix in place with it. Cast Eagles splendor on your self and changing shape should have no effect on spell slots.

You do lose spell slots (from items) even if you cast eagles splendor

Yes. But solves the Racial modifier part.