Combat Expertise, Disarm, no QS use, stealth break

[Flatted Fifth]

Problem one: Combat Expertise from custom bar breaks stealth when you use it. There's no reason it should. Also, dragging the main feat to the quickslot brings up a list instead of your last chosen setting. "Stance" settings cannot be dragged from bar to quickslot. So, a game that happens in real time now takes longer to put my defenses up.

Solution one: have choosing Combat Expertise feat grant you 5 individual feats for the five levels of CE, activating one that is inactive activates it and de-activates the others. Activating one that is already active deactivates it. Make them all quick-slottable and not break stealth



Problem two: Disarm is not usable from the quick slot, only from the bar. Activating disarm from quickslot brings up a list of what type of disarm you do. Adding steps and therefore time to a game that happens in real time is not a value add.

Soultion two: Disarm type bar always visible, but activating disarm feat by having the feat from your feat list dragged to your quickslot defaults to disarm:main hand

[whatsittoya]

Is it really like that? Click and pop-out menus and stuff??

[mrm3ntalist]

Problem one: Combat Expertise from custom bar breaks stealth when you use it. There's no reason it should. Also, dragging the main feat to the quickslot brings up a list instead of your last chosen setting. "Stance" settings cannot be dragged from bar to quickslot. So, a game that happens in real time now takes longer to put my defenses up.

Solution one: have choosing Combat Expertise feat grant you 5 individual feats for the five levels of CE, activating one that is inactive activates it and de-activates the others. Activating one that is already active deactivates it. Make them all quick-slottable and not break stealth

All custom feats break stealth. It is an engine issue and not a coding issue

[selhan]

"Every second...counts"

*Repeats self from another thread*

lol Thanks for explaining it FF!

[whatsittoya]

Seriously, adding extra steps to something I need as immediately as possible makes enemy actions even more punishing just by slowing me down haha.

Hopefully I'll be able to stick some of those selectable options directly on my hotbar instead of clicking disarm and then clicking what kind of disarm I want to do?

That sort of hoop-jumping in the middle of combat is fine for turn-based. I definitely don't have the coordination to pull that off rapidly in real-time action when I really need it.

[Rhifox]

Can't make them not break stealth for reasons mentalist mentioned, but we can consider making them independent feats instead of a radial.

[Flatted Fifth]

Problem one: Combat Expertise from custom bar breaks stealth when you use it. There's no reason it should. Also, dragging the main feat to the quickslot brings up a list instead of your last chosen setting. "Stance" settings cannot be dragged from bar to quickslot. So, a game that happens in real time now takes longer to put my defenses up.

Solution one: have choosing Combat Expertise feat grant you 5 individual feats for the five levels of CE, activating one that is inactive activates it and de-activates the others. Activating one that is already active deactivates it. Make them all quick-slottable and not break stealth

All custom feats break stealth. It is an engine issue and not a coding issue

I could deal with CE breaking stealth if it the level of CE I want was instantly available from the Quickslot

[artemitavik]

I have noted that CE and other modes also drop if you change weapons or get disarmed, or whatever. So not only lose offense, but also defense, even when switching weapons intentionally to fight different enemy DR or something.

I know the custom Expose Weakness doesn't turn off or have to be reapplied whenever you change weapons or are disarmed, and I foresee a LOT of issues with both offense and defense going away with all the disarm flying around.

[Rhifox]

I have noted that CE and other modes also drop if you change weapons or get disarmed, or whatever. So not only lose offense, but also defense, even when switching weapons intentionally to fight different enemy DR or something.

They have to be recalculated when you change weapons. The change should be instant, though. Are they not reapplying immediately?

[artemitavik]

They are not. Or at least weren't this morning.

[Shadostorm]

it just drops CE completely and if you're attacking you then have to stop attacking to re-enable, then re-engage. can't just click and instant-change

[Flatted Fifth]

When it was stated that it would become user choice +&- I thought you meant that getting CE at lvl up or as class bonus would grant 5 separate feats so we could quickslot the one(s) we want. The variable defense is a VERY GOOD idea, but menus and additional bars don't work well in a real time game, that's more for turn based.

Again, might I suggest 5 feats
CE 1 -1 ab +1 ac
CE 2 -2 ab +2 ac

et cetera

Activating one that is inactive deactivates the other 4
Activting one that is active deactivates it

Just get one working like the original then copy paste the code to the other 4, changing ab and ac numbers

Recommend you keep the custom bar, too, though. That way ppl can quickslot just their favourite ce lvl for instant emergency use to save their butt, and then fine tune via the bar after


Alternative: Have it so that combat expertise feat cicked from the Quickslot bar or mode bar work exactly like it used to, -3/+3, instead of opening a menu that doesn't work, and let us use the new custom bar to fine tune

[Rhifox]

When it was stated that it would become user choice +&- I thought you meant that getting CE at lvl up or as class bonus would grant 5 separate feats so we could quickslot the one(s) we want. The variable defense is a VERY GOOD idea, but menus and additional bars don't work well in a real time game, that's more for turn based.

Again, might I suggest 5 feats
CE 1 -1 ab +1 ac
CE 2 -2 ab +2 ac

et cetera

Activating one that is inactive deactivates the other 4
Activting one that is active deactivates it

We will do this, but it will take time.

[Flatted Fifth]

When it was stated that it would become user choice +&- I thought you meant that getting CE at lvl up or as class bonus would grant 5 separate feats so we could quickslot the one(s) we want. The variable defense is a VERY GOOD idea, but menus and additional bars don't work well in a real time game, that's more for turn based.

Again, might I suggest 5 feats
CE 1 -1 ab +1 ac
CE 2 -2 ab +2 ac

et cetera

Activating one that is inactive deactivates the other 4
Activting one that is active deactivates it

We will do this, but it will take time.

I appreciate all your work. I know it can't be easy to wrestle with a toolset for a 15 year old game, unpaid. As I said, the idea for adjustable CE is great. Just needs implementation tweaks.

[zhazz]

I have noted that CE and other modes also drop if you change weapons or get disarmed, or whatever. So not only lose offense, but also defense, even when switching weapons intentionally to fight different enemy DR or something.

I know the custom Expose Weakness doesn't turn off or have to be reapplied whenever you change weapons or are disarmed, and I foresee a LOT of issues with both offense and defense going away with all the disarm flying around.

Don't know if Athkatlan Triparite is what you consider other modes, but I can confirm that it too fall off when changing weapons. As long as the weapons remain melee, it ideally shouldn't drop the mode.

Not sure how difficult that is to program, but as of right now it's a hassle. Or at the very least have a "blinking" indicator on the hotbar to signal whether or not the mode is active. Right now it's either remember what your AC is with a given setup, or deactivate + activate the mode.

I assume it's the same for Northlander Hewing and Sembian Fencing too. Though I haven't tested those yet.