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Re: Theorycrafting: Shifter
Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 1:50 pm
by Kalgain
Northlander Hewing random ability dmg is roughly equivalent to +1 dmg each hit unless bludgeoing.
You also forgot the damage from gloves, on the other hand, vampiric gloves might be preferable since you cant use heal.
Re: Theorycrafting: Shifter
Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:07 am
by Calantyr
Is it worth getting Legendary Animal Shape for a Shifter? I am unsure how the form works when combined with Shifter abilities. Does it get the shifter bonuses to STR/DEX/CON? Does it gain infinite uses? Or is it a marginal (at best) upgrade, and there are better uses for an epic feat?
Re: Theorycrafting: Shifter
Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:17 am
by EasternCheesE
Calantyr wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:07 am
Is it worth getting Legendary Animal Shape for a Shifter? I am unsure how the form works when combined with Shifter abilities. Does it get the shifter bonuses to STR/DEX/CON? Does it gain infinite uses? Or is it a marginal (at best) upgrade, and there are better uses for an epic feat?
Only shifter-specific shapes get that attribute increase.
Re: Theorycrafting: Shifter
Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 9:21 am
by Calantyr
EasternCheesE wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:17 am
Only shifter-specific shapes get that attribute increase.
Thanks, that's useful to know.
Do you know how the Concentration checks on the form abilities are calculated? I'm wondering how high I need to pump up my Concentration.
Re: Theorycrafting: Shifter
Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:44 am
by YYA
Calantyr wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 9:21 am
EasternCheesE wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:17 am
Only shifter-specific shapes get that attribute increase.
Thanks, that's useful to know.
Do you know how the Concentration checks on the form abilities are calculated? I'm wondering how high I need to pump up my Concentration.
Probably the same way as with regular spells... So the safest best is to just max out the Concentration skill, because no matter what 'Spell Level' the spell like abilities use, the more damage you recieve, the more likely it is for you to fail your concentration skill checks.
Re: Theorycrafting: Shifter
Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:36 am
by Rain
I made a funny little build with shifter that is druid 5, monk 3, shifter 12, drunken master 10.
Whole thing revolves around using shifters shapechange feat at 10 instead of shifting forms. Drunken master gets to drink ale for +10 STR which converts to shapechange forms.
Add in a bit more STR from buffs augment form yada yada and your sitting at a 52 STR drunken nightwalker.
Re: Theorycrafting: Shifter
Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:19 pm
by YYA
Rain wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:36 am
I made a funny little build with shifter that is druid 5, monk 3, shifter 12, drunken master 10.
Whole thing revolves around using shifters shapechange feat at 10 instead of shifting forms. Drunken master gets to drink ale for +10 STR which converts to shapechange forms.
Add in a bit more STR from buffs augment form yada yada and your sitting at a 52 STR drunken nightwalker.
That sounds like a fun build, not going to lie!
But should that cap out at 48 Strength? Nightwalker has base 38 Strength.
Re: Theorycrafting: Shifter
Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:09 pm
by Rain
Its possible to get 4 more STR to get to 52. Although im not going to spoil how thats done however.
Re: Theorycrafting: Shifter
Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:45 pm
by Steve
Let's hope for your build that Shapechange via Shifter isn't subject to Dispels!!!
Re: Theorycrafting: Shifter
Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:40 pm
by mrm3ntalist
Steve wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:45 pm
Let's hope for your build that Shapechange via Shifter isn't subject to Dispels!!!
Its based on character level. Cannot be dispeled
Re: Theorycrafting: Shifter
Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:58 pm
by Steve
mrm3ntalist wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:40 pm
Its based on character level. Cannot be dispeled
Well shit...that should have been ADVERTISED!
Cause one could then build a Wizard 5 / Fighter 4 / Monk 10 / Shifter 10 for a serious puncher that can't be dispelled out of Shape!
Re: Theorycrafting: Shifter
Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 5:02 pm
by Aspect of Sorrow
True Form doesn't force them out of it?
Re: Theorycrafting: Shifter
Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 5:11 pm
by Steve
Steve wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:58 pm
Cause one could then build a Wizard 5 / Fighter 4 / Monk 10 / Shifter 10 for a serious puncher that can't be dispelled out of Shape!
Or maybe a Spirit Shaman 6 / Fighter 10 / Fist of the Forest 3 / Shifter 11. Possibly even better!
Re: Theorycrafting: Shifter
Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 7:59 pm
by mrm3ntalist
Steve wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 5:11 pm
Steve wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:58 pm
Cause one could then build a Wizard 5 / Fighter 4 / Monk 10 / Shifter 10 for a serious puncher that can't be dispelled out of Shape!
Or maybe a Spirit Shaman 6 / Fighter 10 / Fist of the Forest 3 / Shifter 11. Possibly even better!
Now that you spilled the beans, they are going to change it to CharacterLevel/3 + ShifterLEvel or something.... Thanks a lot Steve
Re: Theorycrafting: Shifter
Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2021 2:01 am
by DaloLorn
Aspect of Sorrow wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 5:02 pm
True Form doesn't force them out of it?
I mean, that's not a dispel.
