Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

mrm3ntalist wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 7:59 pm
Now that you spilled the beans, they are going to change it to CharacterLevel/3 + ShifterLEvel or something.... Thanks a lot Steve

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Aspect of Sorrow wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 5:02 pmTrue Form doesn't force them out of it?

Probably not...

On one hand, you could argue that 'Shifter' becomes the new form. I think there was such lore fluff in some edition of DND.

And on the other hand....

1d20 + 15 (Max caster level) against the DC of 11 + (Caster Level of Polymorph Effect)... Well, that is roll of 35 (at best) against DC of 41... And if it was changed into something like "Character Level / 3 + Shifter Level" -- these shifters would be looking at roll of 35 (at best) against the DC of 31+... So there is some chance, I guess, but not really unless you are a Spirit Shaman/Sorcerer that can spam the spell.

mrm3ntalist wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:40 pm

Steve wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:45 pm Let's hope for your build that Shapechange via Shifter isn't subject to Dispels!!!

Its based on character level. Cannot be dispeled

Yea, even after eating a Mords and getting the message “Shapechange has been dispelled”, my shapechanger will remain in shape until I revert to original form. Ill only have to recast the spell again if I want to shift once more.

Rain wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:09 pm Its possible to get 4 more STR to get to 52. Although im not going to spoil how thats done however.

Barb rage no?

Terankar wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 9:43 am

Rain wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:09 pm Its possible to get 4 more STR to get to 52. Although im not going to spoil how thats done however.

Barb rage no?

It would be just +2, since the +12 cap exists.

YYA wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:07 am

Terankar wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 9:43 am

Rain wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:09 pm Its possible to get 4 more STR to get to 52. Although im not going to spoil how thats done however.

Barb rage no?

It would be just +2, since the +12 cap exists.

That is pretty strange, as the shifter bonus is said to apply only on shifter specific shapes. Unless that is intended, it would seem like a bug.

I am still very curious how you would get 52 str. That alone is worthy of discovering

Terankar wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:38 pm

YYA wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:07 am

Terankar wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 9:43 am
Barb rage no?

It would be just +2, since the +12 cap exists.

That is pretty strange, as the shifter bonus is said to apply only on shifter specific shapes. Unless that is intended, it would seem like a bug.

I am still very curious how you would get 52 str. That alone is worthy of discovering

Rain outright specified using Drunken Master to get +10 STR. The Shifter bonus was never factored into his calculations.

Correct. Again the build is druid 5, monk 3, shifter 12, drunken master 10.

It utilizes the (Shapechange) feat you get from shifter at 10 instead of the shifter shapes. Drunken master gives you a +10 STR buff for 5 mins after drinking ale which is the main attribiter to why the build gets such high STR aside from breaking the 50 STR cap.

There is nothing illegal, bugged, or exploited about the build it’s really just smart use of a combination of PRC’s, feats and potions & elixirs.

Rain wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:13 amThere is nothing illegal, bugged, or exploited about the build it’s really just smart use of a combination of PRC’s, feats and potions & elixirs.

Which would be what exactly? Because ability enchantment bonus is capped at 12.

YYA wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:29 am

Rain wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:13 amThere is nothing illegal, bugged, or exploited about the build it’s really just smart use of a combination of PRC’s, feats and potions & elixirs.

Which would be what exactly? Because ability enchantment bonus is capped at 12.

Because it's not breaking the 12 bonus cap. I'm wording my explanation loosely to not give away the secret. Notice what I said... It breaks the "50 STR cap" ... there is a way to get "4 more STR..."

The method to getting that extra STR has nothing to do with breaking the enhancement bonus itself. (Although I admittedly mis-spoke in saying nightwalker could do it.)

As much as i'd LOVE to just throw it out there we all know what happeneds to fun builds and concepts when their thrown to the void of the BGTSCC community.

Rain wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 4:53 pm Because it's not breaking the 12 bonus cap. I'm wording my explanation loosely to not give away the secret. Notice what I said... It breaks the "50 STR cap" ... there is a way to get "4 more STR..."

The method to getting that extra STR has nothing to do with breaking the enhancement bonus itself. (Although I admittedly mis-spoke in saying nightwalker could do it.)

As much as i'd LOVE to just throw it out there we all know what happeneds to fun builds and concepts when their thrown to the void of the BGTSCC community.

Earth Genasi Barbarian 30 can reach 46 Strength on this server. That would be 34 base strength, from starting Strength of 20 and seven Great Strength epic feats, Epic Rage for +10 rage modifier, and some +2 Strength item.

Nightwalker has the highest base strength of the Polymorph Forms, and neither will the Owl Bear Shifter form reach that high. Which would mean that you make use of base form, but because you have multiclassed heavily into classes that should not offer potential epic bonus feats, and therefore your base Strength could not be as high as it is with the above Barbarian build.

As for what happens to builds in this community: someone just uses the idea to make an even better build, and what of it? So just spill the beans!

Perhaps rage potion or rage spell after shapeshifting, since that would technically not be ability capped? That would be my 2nd quess

Terankar wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:26 am Perhaps rage potion or rage spell after shapeshifting, since that would technically not be ability capped? That would be my 2nd quess

Neither would be possible after shapeshifting, not with the build Rain specified. Druids can't cast Rage, and shapeshifted characters can't drink potions.

Awaken on self?!

Terankar wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:27 am Awaken on self?!

Not with 5 druid levels.