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Re: Coming Soon: Epic Spell and Magic Updates

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:43 pm
by mrm3ntalist
Dragonslayer wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:29 pm
mrm3ntalist wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:24 pm Good changes. IS there going to be an 100% RCR period?
Presumably it'd be easier for spellcasters to just have the feat swapped out if they wanted to change their epic spells.
Low cl casters might want to get rid of epic spells altogether

Re: Coming Soon: Epic Spell and Magic Updates

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:44 pm
by mrm3ntalist
Also with spells such as vampiric feast that now will "obey death immunity" have you considered increasing its number of uses? It sounds like it will be a glorified Wail of the Banshee

Re: Coming Soon: Loot Updates

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 6:08 pm
by MrSmith
Dragonslayer wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 11:05 am Fantastic news, thank you for the hard work!
Ditto!

Re: Coming Soon: Epic Spell and Magic Updates

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 6:19 pm
by MrSmith
mrm3ntalist wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:24 pm Good changes. IS there going to be an 100% RCR period?
A 100% RCR would be appropriate based on the precedence already set.

Well done, DEV Team!

Re: Coming Soon: Epic Spell and Magic Updates

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:27 pm
by Rhifox
DaloLorn wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:54 pm Out of curiosity, why not make it fully PnP-accurate? Is it balancing, or perceived technical limitations?
I think giving mages the ability to get uncanny dodge/improved uncanny dodge by just casting a suite of spells is probably a bit too strong.
mrm3ntalist wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:24 pm Good changes. IS there going to be an 100% RCR period?
We will consider allowing 100% RCRs for this. No promises though.
mrm3ntalist wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:44 pm Also with spells such as vampiric feast that now will "obey death immunity" have you considered increasing its number of uses? It sounds like it will be a glorified Wail of the Banshee
Might instead consider giving proper Epic Spell slots like pnp, so you get a number of epic slots that you can choose to use for any of the epic spells you have access to. Instead of each one being balanced separately around multiple uses.

Re: Coming Soon: Epic Spell and Magic Updates

Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2022 2:52 am
by Lockonnow
I found it odd whan you have 2 items in hands you might failure you cast whan youre wizard but you dont fix the about Daggerspell mage cast with Archmage Ability arcane ray so whan you have 2 daggers in hands you sould do more dmg like the way with warlock /daggerspell mage cast ?

Re: Coming Soon: Epic Spell and Magic Updates

Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:39 am
by DaloLorn
Ooh, epic spell slots would also allow 10th-level metamagic... :D

Re: Coming Soon: Epic Spell and Magic Updates

Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:50 am
by Rhifox
DaloLorn wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:39 am Ooh, epic spell slots would also allow 10th-level metamagic... :D
No it wouldn't. Epic spell slots and Improved Capacity spell slots are two entirely different mechanics.

Re: Coming Soon: Epic Spell and Magic Updates

Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2022 6:43 am
by DaloLorn
... So it seems. Oh well.

Re: Coming Soon: Epic Spell and Magic Updates

Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2022 8:10 pm
by Dolorof
mrm3ntalist wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:44 pm Also with spells such as vampiric feast that now will "obey death immunity" have you considered increasing its number of uses? It sounds like it will be a glorified Wail of the Banshee
Might instead consider giving proper Epic Spell slots like pnp, so you get a number of epic slots that you can choose to use for any of the epic spells you have access to. Instead of each one being balanced separately around multiple uses.
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I like this idea a lot. Is it something reasonable to implement?

Re: Coming Soon: Epic Spell and Magic Updates

Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2022 8:29 pm
by Rhifox
dolorof wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 8:10 pm
mrm3ntalist wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:44 pm Also with spells such as vampiric feast that now will "obey death immunity" have you considered increasing its number of uses? It sounds like it will be a glorified Wail of the Banshee
Might instead consider giving proper Epic Spell slots like pnp, so you get a number of epic slots that you can choose to use for any of the epic spells you have access to. Instead of each one being balanced separately around multiple uses.
I like this idea a lot. Is it something reasonable to implement?
Yup. And will probably be doing it. Just figuring out the best way to handle it.

Re: Coming Soon: Epic Spell and Magic Updates

Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2022 8:56 pm
by mrm3ntalist
Rhifox wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:27 pmWe will consider allowing 100% RCRs for this. No promises though.
That is good, because the epic spells are no longer epic. They are not worth an epic feat at all.

Re: Coming Soon: Epic Spell and Magic Updates

Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2022 9:24 pm
by renshouj
mrm3ntalist wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 8:56 pm
Rhifox wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:27 pmWe will consider allowing 100% RCRs for this. No promises though.
That is good, because the epic spells are no longer epic. They are not worth an epic feat at all.
I don't understand what you mean here? Literally all of them got overall buffed, but VF and Husk were the only ones that also took a hit. Wdym????

In fact, I'm very very happy with the epic mass heal, and might even take it on my healer!

Re: Coming Soon: Epic Spell and Magic Updates

Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:22 pm
by mrm3ntalist
renshouj wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 9:24 pm
mrm3ntalist wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 8:56 pm
Rhifox wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:27 pmWe will consider allowing 100% RCRs for this. No promises though.
That is good, because the epic spells are no longer epic. They are not worth an epic feat at all.
I don't understand what you mean here? Literally all of them got overall buffed, but VF and Husk were the only ones that also took a hit. Wdym????

In fact, I'm very very happy with the epic mass heal, and might even take it on my healer!
Obviously you must be using the "Epic Spells" to great effect, so you must know what you are talking about. Maybe you are right...

Re: Coming Soon: Epic Spell and Magic Updates

Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:26 pm
by renshouj
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mrm3ntalist wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:22 pm
renshouj wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 9:24 pm
mrm3ntalist wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 8:56 pm
That is good, because the epic spells are no longer epic. They are not worth an epic feat at all.
I don't understand what you mean here? Literally all of them got overall buffed, but VF and Husk were the only ones that also took a hit. Wdym????

In fact, I'm very very happy with the epic mass heal, and might even take it on my healer!
Obviously you must be using the "Epic Spells" to great effect, so you know what you are talking about. Maybe you are right...
I just don't understand your comment. You spoke as if Epic Spells took a hit and "Are no longer worth an epic feat" when... they all literally got buffed? All of them got better DC for dedicated casters, many got more dmg, some extra functionalities. VF and Husk now are countered perhaps too easily, sure, but it just sounds like you're tunnel visioning on them while still just saying something that is plain wrong.

These are cool changes, and I appreciate the consideration for epic spell slots